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Should Obama be re elected as president?

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Looking over the list of Candidates, my top picks at the moment are

Peta Lindsay of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.
Jerry White of the Socialist Equality Party.
Stewart Alexander of the Socialist Party USA.
Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party.

Of these, Lindsay and Anderson are the most appealing, though Lindsay is Constitutionally ineligible on account of her age. Then again, I would support a constitutional amendment to abolish all constitutional age restrictions.

Then again, the Libertarian, Green, and Constitution parties have no decided their official candidates yet.

The only way I would ever consider voting for a Democrat or a Republican at this point is if Ron Paul won the Republican nomination.
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Um... yeah. Good luck on getting any of those guys elected.

You might as well just throw in the towel, bro.
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Honestly, while the guy above me probably doesn't know an awful lot about politics, I have to agree. Your choices, Jeffrey, are definitely high on the idealism side of our favorite cynical/idealism sliding scale. There is little chance they'll succeed.
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I know the odds favor the Status Quo of the current Major Parties maintaining their corrupt rule, but I would rather take the infinitesimal chance of change for the better and vote for a minor party than waste my vote voicing false support of the Status Quo.

Not voting is a guaranteed loss.
Voting for the Major Parties is a guaranteed loss.
Voting for the Minor Parties is a very likely loss, but it is the only option of the three that provides even a slim chance of gain.

Besides, it is not like a minor-party candidate becoming president is unprecedented.
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This stuffs old man.

Obama inherited his problems from Bush. Bush himself has said that four years isn't much to do much. If we don't re-elect Obama, we get stuck with Romney or Santorum. Both are worse than him. Also, he has a congress which is so split, that when he TRIES to push through bills, they get rejected. Also, yes he killed Osama. God damn guys, you make it sound like he hunted him down a choked him with his own two hands. Every time a president ***** up, or people THINK they ****** up, they end up voting the in the other political party's candidate. Also, Romney and Santorum are just so close minded and intolerant, especially when it comes to homosexuality. Obama on the other hand, I have a bit of respect for repealing DADT.
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When 3rd parties garner enough support they can influence the outcome of an election, as in 2000, or the platform of the victorious party, as in the 90s when Clinton adopted Ross Perot's ideas to balance the budget. Winning isn't always necessary. If people would only see that en masse we'd be better off.

Maybe we can't make a third party win, but we could make them more than they are.
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Does anyone see anything wrong with those candidates?

Maybe the fact they're socialists?

I agree with wicca here. Obama isn't the best president, but anyone else in his position would get the same type of crap considering the huge mess Bush left behind.

One thing I hope doesn't happen, we DON'T get sanatorium. ******* told us Hispanics in pretty long words to start learning English.
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Just please no Obama. At first I was like "Well as long as he's not stupid," But now.. My point of vain is," Oh gawd, stupid would be better."
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Can you tell me anything he's done wrong Zac?
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Nothing. He's done NOTHING but plunge us into more debt trying to fix our problems. Which didn't work, by the way. And some of the things he says...
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Then tell me why we have people saying the economy's improving and people saying it's getting worse.
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Triert wrote:Can you tell me anything he's done wrong Zac?
Triert from awhile back wrote:In other words, you can't bring up a single moment when he's done something wrong
Oh boy the echoes.

So I'll recall myself, with a tad bit of editing.
He got us out of Iraq, good. Then he shifted focus to Afghan. Eugh. It got Osama killed, which is good, but I wasn't really pleased until he finally started sending people home.

I have no strong opinion on his Stimulus package. It doesn't affect me an awful lot, so I haven't familiarized myself with the entirety of it, but what I do know of I, I kind of just go: :/ I know it spent a lot of money, and I'm not sure where most of that went.

He's regulating carbon dioxide, but refused to sign on to the Kyoto act. Why?

I personally like Western Europe's idea on health care. Take that as you will.

While his legislation killed Osama, I'm not chalking that up to Obama's instructions. That was a military affair.

He bailed out GM. Not something I agree with, especially considering the rather large checks that their higher ups get.

I can't remember what we did in Haiti. We helped with the relief effort, sure, but I don't really remember it all that well.

Cash for Clunkers was okay. No strong opinion. It was just kinda... restricted on what they accepted, I suppose.

He's done stuff.
Nothing I personally see as contributing or detracting from his term.
You're so... obnoxious, Triert, whenever it comes to politics.
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Well Triert, he didn't push for Wallstreet reform as strongly as he campaigned for. He pretty much let conservatives stomp all over him until campaign season. As far as I'm concerned, even though I supported him in the beginning, he's your classic DINO.

And the US always makes the mistake of seeing red in everything. We actually use socialist philosophy through our safety nets, income tax, and public school system. I'd happily vote for a socialist. Mostly because every time we say hands off we end up with disasters like the Great Depression and the 2008 housing collapse.
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The very minute I see someone post "I'd happily vote socialist" Is the very same minute I leave this topic.

I'll watch the world burn and enjoy it. Because you've shown me our future's going to be a dark one.
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That's a little paranoid don't you think? Especially when it was already established in this topic the unlikelihood of a third party winning an election.
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Listen to techno and atomicbat. They're spot on, IMO.
Also, the economy doesn't have too much to do with obama improvement-wise. Did you think we would keep going down after we hit rock bottom. Also, let me just post this: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-k ... _wron.html
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But, Triert, most of Eastern Europe consists of socialist democracies, and while they aren't doing great (no nation is truly prospering right now) they are certainly doing a lot better than America. I'm not sure it's the direction the good old U.S. of A. needs to go in, but let's not villainize an ideology when our own methods are the reason our nation is failing.

Also, that last quote of yours is incredibly stupid.
I'll watch the world burn and enjoy it. Because you've shown me our future's going to be a dark one.
What kind of wangst is this? You're going to "watch the world burn and enjoy it"? What kind of massive pole do you have up your ass that would possess you to say this, regardless of your intent? I mean, if it's a joke, then it's just kinda stupid, but if you're attempting to sound astute or poetic or intelligent, well, all evidence to the contrary.
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XHH wrote:1. Paying those who don't work has been tried in other countries; never worked, nor will it here. If it is still in place we'll all lose our jobs. Quote from the Bible, "Those who don't work, don't eat (or in this case, don't get paid.)"
2. He wastes our tax dollars on stupid things, therefore inceasing our debt.
3. The man has no responsibility whatsoever.
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Omg lindsay. I think I love you now. JK...
But yeah. I agree
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Hehehe. I'm quite content to back out of this topic now and just be content to finish reading through it.
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Triert wrote:Does anyone see anything wrong with those candidates? Maybe the fact they're socialists?
When I read statements like this, I have to wonder if the person who wrote them knows anything about capitalism, socialism, and communism beyond the propaganda that is typically taught in US k-12 schools.

Anyways, provided they were on the libertarian side of the libertarian/authoritarian axis, I think a socialism dominated government working to properly reform this country's outdated public services would do the people of this country a world of good. I would rather take my chances with a bunch of Socialist Democrats than continue with a government dominated by upper class capitalists who are more concerned with building and maintaining their own wealth and authority than the welfare of the common people.

Of course, it is unlikely I will vote for the Justice Party or any of the socialist parties I listed above as they are essentially splinter groups one level above independents. I will most likely make a choice for president between the final candidates selected by the Libertarian, Constitution, and Green parties. I honestly think Rocky Anderson would have been better staying in the running for the Green Party's nomination than starting his own party.
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It takes a post like that to bring me back to this topic.

Yes, I actually do know more than k-12 propaganda. "Upper class capitalists" something everyone knows about. However, I feel that rather than wait and elect what we think will be the better leader. We take true action, rioting even. They didn't give a crap about wall street because there wasn't zone wide fighting. Just some god damn camping.

I don't like socialism, I don't like how our economy is right now. I like action, I like freedom. But the only type of fighting people are willing to do is change their facebook photo, wear a hoodie, or share a video about social activism.

That Mewtamer, is my true feelings.
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I don't get your ideologies, Triert. You want riots and change, and that's all I've gathered, and I'm not sure how that relates to anything we've mentioned so far, other than the change part. But you never said what kind of change you want.

You're kind of, I don't know, using vague terms. You didn't explain what you knew about other parties, just kind of said you did, and then went on to rant about bad political activism. A just rant, in my eyes, but uncalled for in the context of this discussion. There wasn't any prompt for you to talk about what you deemed an adequate fight for change.

I'm not sure why you're talking about what you're talking about.
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I thought this topic was about re electing obama, not nitpicking what I have to say.
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i thought it was about obama not your vague political ideologies and superiority complex over the masses.
but oh well.
argumentum ad hominem and political nit picking works just as good for me.
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