USA Election 2016

[Nano]

Yeah wow, so bad. Ending institutionalized racism.

What an awful thing to want.

[Goat]

I'm sorry, but I personally don't believe in theories from Berkeley

[Jeffery Mewtamer]

To clarify something in my previous post: Most people act as if the Second Amendment only applies to guns. I'm saying, that as written, it should apply not only to guns, but to swords, knives, spears, bows and arrows, crossbows and bolts, other bladed weapons, clubs, axes, flails, staves, and probably a lot of other things I can't think of at the moment. Guns get all the attention, but they aren't the end all, be all of self-defense or violent crime.

Even when I counted myself among the sighted, I doubt I would've ever been comfortable firing a gun, and pretty much all projectile weapons are off the table thanks to my blindness, but I do wish I was physically fit enough and had enough skill at hand-to-hand and the use of a bo staff to hold my own if I was ever attacked on the streets using my cane as a makeshift weapon. At present, my only defense is that I'm over 6 feet tall and over 300 pounds, a rather imposing figure even on a white, blind man.

For what it's worth, I'm fine with background checks being part of the procedure for legally purchasing a weapon and cracking down on the casual trading among otherwise law-abiding citizens that goes on at gun conventions. I can agree with prison time being handed out to those convicted of black-market trading of arms. I can agree with felons convicted of a violent crime having their right to bare arms restricted.

Smart criminals wouldn't be going through legal channels to begin with, but provided it doesn't drive otherwise law-abiding citizens to the blackmarket, less lax regulation on the buying and selling of guns that leads to fewer dumb criminals owning them or giving those on the verge of a rampage just enough extra time to cool down and reconsider carving a path of destruction strike me as a net gain for society.

Now that I think about it, it would probably be a good idea to require gun dealers to be trained in conflict resolution and have enough psychological training to detect the warning signs of someone about to go on a rampage and make attempts to talk them down and encourage them to seek psychological help. Hell, why aren't psychology and sociology part of the required K-12 curriculum?! Learning the how and why of human behavior and societal behavior strikes me as infinitely more useful to day-to-day life than learning about stuff that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago, yet the social science curriculum is almost nothing but history.

Gun control doesn't have to mean outright banning or even making purchasing a gun through legal channels so difficult it would be easier to use the black market, and in fact, gun control of that extent would likely only make matters worse. There is a huge middle ground between absolute gun bans and absolutely no regulation on guns, and I'm not convinced we've reached that sweet spot that minimizes the misuse of guns without unfairly inconveniencing law-abiding gun owners.

[wic.]

I'm sorry, but I personally don't believe in theories from Berkeley

Or have clearly never taken a highschool/entry level sociology class

But also ****'s goin down in Chicago

[Goat]

I did take a sociology class, it just wasn't taught my a self hating white person who felt the need to spread their white guilt to others or had the ability or funds from the school system to do so.



- People have been attacked lately for having Pro-Trump Stickers, hats, banners, signs, and posts
- People have gotten very violent in these attacks as well
- A massive attack against Trump supporters just went down in two locations.

In the best of all possible worlds, they would just leave us in peace.

But they won't

Let me just say this, think very hard about how much effort both left wing and Fox did into stopping Trump last year and this year. Attacking him only makes him stronger, but attacking his supporters this much?

Given that it was the BLM crowd showing up at St. Louis too, I restate my point. Bernie's quote looks especially worse now given that they planned this attack out.

I will now make this point very, very clear. I take back what I said on Bernie, as for the supporters. Well I'm pretty sure no one here agrees with this!

[Nano]

Hardly surprising given the already hostile conditions at trump rallies.

Their mindless following of a completely awful and diluted racist, a racist they'd gladly assault protesters for, only brought this on themselves if I'm gonna be real with you. People were eventually gonna get fed up with him, and they were eventually going to get fed up with his mindless supporters.

Needless today, I'm more surprised this didn't happen sooner.

[Lamby]

meanwhile back in reality

trump rally behavior:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/10/media/d ... index.html

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-t ... story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... deos-show/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... vents.html

regarding tonight:

Tonight’s outcome in Chicago is entirely caused by these same Left-Wing ideologues, professional provocateurs, communists and all the progressive antagonists who hate America, and the concept of American Exceptionalism…

o-oh, someone needs a hug~ and better mental healthcare

something actually remotely rational with a left lean:

Trump's events in recent days, including one earlier Friday in St. Louis, have featured numerous instances of violence. Trump has encouraged supporters to attack protesters, saying they should "hit back" more often. Clashes between protesters and Trump supporters at the St. Louis rally led to at least one injury and 32 arrests.

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru ... 5c9182176f

and cnn:

cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/ ... index.html

now that i have perspective that isn't the alternate reality narrative pushed by trump supporters that they're somehow the true victims and the liberals are keyhauling these forward thinking, enlightened victims of left wing tyranny :c

tl;dr: trump supporters have a huge tantrum they're shut down and receive a taste of the climate their great "unifier" and vitriol and us vs. them has created, taunting between both sides result in some fisticuffs, conservatives online write paranoid articles that are as vague and emotional as possible because they know their ship is sinking fast and they're losing control

i'm fine with the idea of protesting his fascist carnival shows, i don't condone violence so i'm also not gonna defend or justify it, but people are playing dumb if they didn't see it coming and i don't believe for a second trump supporters' hands are totally clean, but that's what happens when you keep pouring gasoline into fires

i know i come across like a total *****, and i'd rather debate than sucker punch someone, but this revisionist history coming from the trump campaign is just sad

and by the way, this might be hard to believe, but as disabled transwoman i actually am not feeling remotely equal in society's eyes, sometimes even my own movement, so i'm gonna keep pushing for equity that i deserve regardless of how men feel about it, because i never needed their wisdom or guidance to begin with. i can't speak for other women you've met, but don't assume we're all one straw person with the same rights or privileges to be used as a rhetorical device please, because i'm not about to generalize all western men as this or that because many have helped me just fine

[Crazo3077]

So I live less than an hour from Chicago, and my social media was lighting up about the protest. After looking into it more by reading some articles and tweets, which is what I was excited to look at after work, and it was the mixed bag I expected. There are claims of both sides causing problems.

I'm gonna keep watching videos because it is fun to see people desperate to make even the most mundane interaction come off as violent.

EDIT:
Also I'm having a hard time seeing any non-white supporters of Trump in these crowds. Not sure if that is new or not.

[Goat]

Yeah, funny considering the guy that sucker punched him is the only one that's been charged for actually attacking someone.

Meanwhile
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... 9/3272946/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03 ... n-florida/

Also I'm having a hard time seeing any non-white supporters of Trump in these crowds. Not sure if that is new or not.

I have a hard time seeing non whites voting for Bernie too man.

tl;dr: trump supporters have a huge tantrum they're shut down and receive a taste of the climate their great "unifier" and vitriol and us vs. them has created, taunting between both sides result in some fisticuffs, conservatives online write paranoid articles that are as vague and emotional as possible because they know their ship is sinking fast and they're losing control

Tantrums? Right, as if we were the ones who created the kindergarten tier idea of safe spaces. You want to talk about Us VS Them, you can start with Black Lives Matter (Except when it's black on black crime) that have made an art of it along with people like Al Sharpton. Then if you want to talk about paranoid you can start with the patriarchy and wage gap conspiracy, then if you want to talk about emotional we can look into just what people and the media have done when it comes to rape cases that run with "guilty before proven innocent" and the "always believe women" narrative people were fed.

We didn't start the fire

[Crazo3077]

I remarked the non-white support factor because of how racially diverse Chicago is, and how the protesters were definitely diverse. If you want to drag Sanders into that parallel, I do see a defense in not recalling any situations of Trump having the support of non-white celebrities, but I have seen non-white celebrities support Sanders.

The thing that is making me uncomfortable is how many of the white men at Trump's rallies look like: that is, they look very similar. Not just fashion, but in the face even. Like I'm not excellent with descriptions, but it has been standing out and I find it frightening. That is something I cannot say I've experienced while looking at any footage of a Sanders or even a Clinton event.

[Goat]

I believe the unification of the united states will be very easy when people run to canada and live their socialist fantasy there until Trudeau capsizes. Assuming he does, I'll admit he doesn't seem to have run it into the ground yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nw405j2hOQ


https://twitter.com/RUthIess187/status/ ... 4943734784

[Lamby]

Meanwhile
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... 9/3272946/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03 ... n-florida/

ummm yeah well mines bigger, goat, so :c

also yuge difference between two isolated incidents from people who's motives i don't know and violence being a trend for trump rallies that he openly encourages, even though violence isn't right

Tantrums? Right, as if we were the ones who created the kindergarten tier idea of safe spaces. You want to talk about Us VS Them, you can start with Black Lives Matter (Except when it's black on black crime) that have made an art of it along with people like Al Sharpton. Then if you want to talk about paranoid you can start with the patriarchy and wage gap conspiracy, then if you want to talk about emotional we can look into just what people and the media have done when it comes to rape cases that run with "guilty before proven innocent" and the "always believe women" narrative people were fed.

We didn't start the fire

#thetriggering

yeah sorry it just feels like some conservatives are being contrarian because they aren't benefiting or being validated if someone like me was allowed equity and now are so polarized that if they accepted a reality where they're actually on the goofball side of history they'd have to admit their role in denying people that progress. even if what you said was true, which i'm not gonna entertain, doesn't change trumpeteers are tanking public opinion of themselves unless they're willing to tame their less stable elements and give forward thinking--at least moderate--policy proposals people actually want

[Crazo3077]

Chicago Police: We Never Told Trump Campaign To Shut Down Rally

Chicago Police say they never talked with Trump, nor did they tell him to pull out.

Plenty of other articles mention this too. Trump and/or his campaign made the choice, without any discussions with law enforcement.

And I find the comment about Chicago not tackling race issues unfair, because the situations aren't comparable. Changing the racial climate of an existing environment cannot happen overnight or without effective organizational skills. People can't be full-time activists, so of course it is hard to tackle the city's issue. Where as gathering to protest a one night event is SUPER easy to organize for. I almost called off work just to join in on the protest, and that is because it is easy to take off a day or two when something big is happening, but hard to commit people to regularly improving situations with their free time.

I also want to talk about this, which I believe was from a Fox article:

Who names their kid Rusty when their last name is Shackleford? Like I can't deny that it is almost clever, but the name definitely comes off like the stereotypes of Trump supporters. (This is mostly for meme's sake.)

[Goat]

In posting the following I fully recognize that Alex Jones is a complete wackjob

However, I've taken the liberty of making sure this is only a video and has nothing to do with his lunacy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNelSuoHzlI - Context, someone grabbed his leg and the secret service stepped in.

Also Batty, I'll gladly break down any equity people intend to recieve and work with other people in making sure such programs are destroyed. Equality or bust



Also, I'll contribute this video to the topic

[Lamby]

well i'm glad you're either privileged enough or optimistically naive enough to think that you'll be fine in a world where your rights end and begin on a sheet of paper hoping people adhere to it, but i'm not so fortunate

and yet for all this equality my political opponents preach about not one of them seems to have one policy that is going to help me as an lgtbqa or disabled american woman because they're too busy trying to blame me for their inferiority complex and hiding behind conspiracy theories because they don't have the backbones to say what they really mean "sorry crippled trans lady, you having more rights just isn't in our best interest" and if that isn't the impression they're trying to give me they're doing a terrible job

i don't know what world you think live in, but hey since you are so suspicious of equity--even though you and people with your ideology directly benefit from equity based laws (they usually like the ones helping them)--start by telling people you'd like to repeal some of these equity based laws and just maybe you'll quickly find out why no one takes your ideology seriously and other people might "accost" some delusional guy who has his head so far up his cocky backside he actually thinks right wing politicians are gonna throw him a bone, but when it's all said and done he's happy to benefit from the work progressives have been doing for a century while he does nothing but do republican dirty work and put people in office that yank us backwards another fifty years. and when old retired republicans see it, when moderates see it, they don't get to timidly hide behind their conspiracy theories when everyone sees right through them.

and it doesn't matter how much you insinuate i or anyone else brought things on myself, because ultimately i see those opinions as a dying philosophy less and less people support and the only thing they have left is projecting those failures onto freshly picked nuts

even if you don't agree with liberals, it just confounds me so many people support this man and other contrarianism just to spite people or that they're gonna argue that i'm asking for too much control over myself by asking for fairness in society

yeah yeah i know, i'm willing to support clinton, hellsgate gatesofisengard billgates, but it's more a necessity to protect my own safety and our economy from bizarro world irrespective of anything she's done i disagree with, which i'll call her out on if she uses just like i did with barrack obama and george bush

but let's suppose i'm some ignorant ***** brainwashed by a left-wing communist conspiracy and i've misjudged your movement because i'm biased. i would like to know how trump could ensure the following: endocrinologists and other doctors could not refuse me care because i'm transgender, legal protection from discrimination for all minority groups, preserve access to safety nets keeping me out of a care facility, reign in insurance so they aren't gouging me for low cost medical equipment which they do, ensure wealth is actually circulating instead of cutting taxes for the rich and also cutting spending thus causing deficits, ensuring everyone who wants to can access higher education regardless of their income, guarantee healthcare to everyone, catch us up with less delusional western nations who should laugh us off the face of the earth especially when it comes to human rights, gun violence, standard of living and something as basic as paid leave, alternative energy, treatment and fair, compassionate solutions to our immigrants having nowhere else to turn (illegal immigrants being forcibly removed or locked out would objectively cripple our economy), tame theocracy resisting civil rights, repair infrastructure, tackle global warming, maintain diplomacy, and finally present an economic plan economists didn't tear apart. and that's just the tip of my concerns

or anything that isn't walls, mexicans take our jobs, scary arabs, i'm so great, liberals are dumb please knock them out, or please buy my products, and i support trump because screw you hillary is literally satan and sanders is a communist

if you can give me that, then i'll tune in and maybe even be his office maid

[Goat]

Equal opportunity is the direct opposite of anything even remotely similar to equity.

Something like affirmative action would be an example, something that only benefits certain parts of the population while leaving others nowhere.

Now given that you are very disabled I wouldn't be supporting anything that makes life worse for you, but please do understand we have some very lazy women and minorities who feel they deserve equity programs for simply being born the way they are.

Edit: Oh look, we can actually grab people for what they did here. Don't you just love the the USA?

[Jeffery Mewtamer]

I do have to wonder about the fairness of equal opportunity and affirmative action as they are traditionally implemented. Diversity is generally a good thing when it comes to idea generation, and refusing to hire someone just because they're dark-skinned, of foreign birth, female, confess to sexual interests outside what prudes mislabel as "normal", disabled, etc. is certaintly bad, but can an employer be blamed if it's a documentable fact that their most qualified applicants in every round of hiring are all fair-skinned, able-bodied, American born, prudish men?

Granted, that's probably an extreme example, but still, it seems to me that, rather than assuming any discrepency between demographics of the general population and the demographics of a employer's workforce are due to discrimination outside of evaluating suitability to the job and forcing the employer to hire more people of the underrepresented group even if it degrades their workforce, that it would be more productive to investigate whether there are discrepencies in the demographics of applicants or discrepencies in competency between different groups in regards to the skills the employer is looking for and the reasons for these discrepencies.

Say we're examining a company whose workforce is predominantly or exclusively male. As things are, we'd assume sexism in their hiring process and demand they hire more females. In a more reasonable world, we might look at their applicant history and find that only 20 women apply for every 100 men or that men consistently score better in the skill areas the company is interested and might ask such questions as "why do fewer females apply for jobs at this company?" and "Why are the women who do apply less skilled than their male peers?". Naturally, doing this for every group can be complicated and is likely to be recursive, but I'd argue that it would ultimately be more beneficial to examine the causal web that would be constructed from such investigation and treat the root causes rather than looking at the end state and trying to treat the symptom.

[Goat]

Part of the reason most supposed sexism winds up being false, women don't work the same way men do on average as the wage gap has proven. The wage gap itself has been created from women having more freedom than men to do as they please, not because employers choose to discriminate against women.

If this were the case, employers would find themselves hiring more women because they can pay them less. But they don't over the simple fact that women do need to take maternity leave, then comes the question of whether or not you should pay them for such a thing, which I think should really be left to the business to decide. That isn't me saying "no one should pay them" like some people will try to manipulate, but me saying "not all businesses can afford to pay women maternity leave" I mean, you start a business up one day, hire a few people and then boom one of them announces a pregnancy and the state forces you to pay them for maternity leave. If you're already struggling or you're starting up, you can't afford to do such a thing and that's something everyone should understand.

If you tried to force such a thing on businesses, it would harm small business first while bigger businesses would stay afloat from the few they do hire, and make cuts to the rest of the women present. No one ever wants to accept what keeps happening because they're too busy fighting against the system to take a moment to understand that their actions no matter how good will always have consequences that affect people because they're too stupid to realize the big picture.

[Flame]

Fug. :DDD

I wrote this in two separate sessions so it's probably going to sound messy. Sorry if that ends up being the case, dude.

This talking point was started from a twitter video that said the exact same thing to my knowledge, we haven't drifted off that point.

You're correct, it was. But even if that person says that, you're applying that to millions and millions of people, and at that point I don't even have to question the generalisation that they all want to breed out the white in everyone - going by this train of thought, how do we know that there aren't masses of Asian and black people that don't want to breed each other out, as well? Though I will repeatedly mention I don't think this is a reality or anywhere near a reality, the idea I propose is that to assume that all, or even most immigrants want to breed out white people are something I would require concrete evidence to even entertain.

Forgive me, I was lazy when it came to mentioning every single group involved and their names and exact political alignment.

Not what I was claiming you had to do, dude. A simple "some" before the "leftists" would have sufficed.

You have a power struggle in the west where women despite having the same rights campaign for inequality and call it "Equity" and have thrown away equality.

Of course that's only a fraction of the problem but it's opponents are the most vocal and have very much succeeded.

That's because on paper in the majority of places, women do have the same rights and are protected from discrimination. When I say women and men are lopsided regarding equality, I don't mean regarding laws, I mean regarding culture and attitudes. I do believe personally that a society free from discrimination like that is and would be a very difficult thing to achieve, nigh on impossible considering that there will always be people that perceive difference and attempt to act on it. Regardless, to believe that men and women are just straight-out equal generally is pulling the wool over your own eyes, and even if it is all but impossible to achieve, it doesn't mean it isn't something to strive towards.

Take what Batty says, for example. As a trans woman, Batty - as declared by her own anecdote - has difficulty regarding healthcare due to her identification as a trans woman. Would you say she has the same rights being held in place if she's being denied healthcare?

I believe there's an analogy about this that has to do with hammering a nail into a fence and then apologizing to it.

I concede that one, though my solution would be to put more in place to work towards preventing these crimes before they even happen. No-one is born criminal; society deems what is criminal and what is not, so coming from specific societies, effort should be made to recognise the differences and inform migrants of how things work when they draft into other countries.

First of all

That's disgusting, and I'm glad they released the report. Even so, can you definitely say it was migration that caused those issues? Looking into the same article, it claims that the suspects - though almost all were Muslim males - came from Birmingham:

"Police pin-pointed 75 grooming suspects - most with a history of sexual violence - with most being from a Muslim background from Birmingham."

This implies that they were born in the United Kingdom, and thus their crimes cannot be attributed to migration; it becomes a much more race based piece of evidence.

Secondly, I've accused europe of adopting this culture, different countries on top of that refusing to free the child brides of muslim men coming into their countries. The information you presented me shows that while you might have a point on the 2012 and 2014, you still have the following stated.

Relative numbers in the prison population varied greatly between ethnic groups: there were around 15 prisoners for every 10,000 people in England and Wales, similar to the White and Asian rates, but this includes only 6 prisoners for each 10,000 Chinese and Other population members, and 44 and 55 prisoners for each 10,000 Mixed and Black population members respectively.

Figure 1.02 is also rather troubling.

But ultimately this only reflects on the minorities rather than the migrants. I won't say anything more on that matter.

You did accuse Europe, and I did focus on the UK, I apologise for that. In terms of the EU, I personally still doubt that migration is creating "rape culture", but since I can't really speak for much outside of the realm of the United Kingdom, I'll back off and I won't press the issue further. I can't speak much on the child bride topic because personally I don't actually know much about it, but if the countries really are refusing to free the children and if it's not a much more complex issue than that, then I agree that it is wrong.

Feeling pretty embarrassed that I didn't just search the bloody site and only used what I could find linked to me from a search engine. Regardless, it reflects on minorities and the social situation surrounding said minorities. Worst part about it all is how complex it actually is.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Abdullah Kurdi, the little boy’s father, was living in a relatively safe area in a Turkish town for three years while working on construction sites for 50 Turkish lira (roughly $17) a day.

Thank you! According to a paragraph in the article, though (and the article said paragraph links to) the UN hadn't allowed them refugee status (unsurprising, seeing as how difficult it can be to get such a status) and it states that Syrians are treated horribly in Turkey. Now, I accept that this information is from Tima, which makes it an anecdote, but it's backed up by other sources I could find ( Tensions rising between Turkey and refugees from Syria, Turkey deporting Syrian refugees back to Syria). The truth is, it may be reported that they may have been living peacefully in terms of war, but the chances of them living a life of luxury was slim to none. They were probably discriminated against (judging by the tone many Turkish have taken to the Syrians, judging by the articles) regularly, so considering that the father of the fellow that capsized the boat ordered him to go to Europe, I doubt it took much persuasion.

Speaking of, the article you linked also proves it wasn't because he wanted to get his teeth done that he headed to Europe; it was because his father told him to, and also told him to take the family there. His father being in Syria still, it likely actually does stem from wanting to be further away from the crisis and not of any notion of "entitled migrants".

FDR is someone very well liked by people for socialist policies and he put people in camps, a temporary ban isn't as bad.

Whether it's as bad or not, I don't agree with the policy. I think it hurts more than it helps, considering it's a band-aid fix to the problem anyway.

Trump has plans to put safe zones in syria for people fleeing the war, everyone wins don't they? Compared to the depopulation effect Merkel started, I like Trump.

I highly, highly doubt everyone wins. On paper, everyone wins because Syrians are safe. But who is going to regulate those safe zones? Who is going to make sure those safe zones don't end up essentially being maximum security prisons? Considering the nature of governments when these sorts of things are put into effect (so long as the paper says they're looked after, nothing more needs to be done), I don't trust him to do anything more than set up safe zones, say they're done, and then immediately look away. This isn't a Trump-specific issue, I would raise my eyebrow at almost anyone bringing this up because after seeing how governments work and paying attention to it, I'm very cynical when it comes to matters like this.

I'm of the opinion that no ones going to have as much freedom as we do now no matter who gets elected. I'd rather elect someone who has the best mindset for handling domestic and foreign issues we have.

That's fair enough, but I don't believe Trump is the best choice for that. That's based off me disagreeing with a large number of his policies, and I still do. You may agree where I disagree, and that's totally fine, but I don't think he's the best choice available. To that end, it's just a difference in opinions, so I'm not too bothered about that.

There's Canada, so we might have to consider a northern fence if Trudeau ****'s up

Even that wouldn't fix the problem. I highly doubt ISIS is made up of solely Asian people; they probably do have access to at least some form of people that could obtain access to the USA while pretending to not believe in anything, and then banning Muslims wouldn't have solved the problem because they're just getting people in another way. That's what I mean, they'll find workarounds like that. The only way to make such a thing work properly would be to cease all immigration, and that wouldn't go well for anyone.

Swedens cracking down on actually reporting the race of perpetrators, germany is looking to punish cops who leaked the cologne incident, France is still under martial law since Paris if I recall, and we're getting more and more reports of migrant gangs going on crime sprees. To say nothing on how the EU and Germany has reacted to countries like Poland or Hungary that refused to take part in the madness I believe there's only one thing left to say. Let's take your statement from before over not getting blue in the face over not convincing each other.

Germany's crime rate hasn't been increased by refugees, at the very least. Still, reports of migrant crime gangs likely show more about the papers than they do about the migrants - they focus a lot on minorities and migrants and love to vilify them. They don't tell the public what to think, but they do tell the public what to think about. I really don't think we're gonna convince each other, though. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you disagreed with what I wrote here. You could even call our entire debate pointless, because at the end of the day I don't believe in Trump's policies and you do, and that's where it all kicks off.

http://www.snopes.com/2015/06/22/save-a ... our-knife/

Not only have I never heard of this, but it still hasn't caught wind in the UK. Not significantly, anyway. Knives aren't about to be banned anytime soon, and you have a hell of a lot more of a case for banning guns than knives. Even then, I think a movement around banning knives like this is ridiculous, because it won't stop knife crime. You can kill with a tiny blade. Leave any knives there and that's what'll be used; it doesn't mean you should ban knives, though. Knives are still used for more than just killing.

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

What's your point? The things a knife is useful for outside of killing aren't anything that require you to carry them in public.

Hunting for food while a niche, is one, and while a bow, crossbow, dog, and spear can kill a boar or a bear. Hunting to control population is also important! Why do that if you have a gun, and even if you're not hunting it for food, you'll want a gun to kill the damn thing before it kills you. And no, I won't accept the "They're more scared of you then you are of them" argument here because it's a much better idea to simply react with the situation you are given then assume fear.

Though to be entirely fair, I would hesitate to shoot a bear until I can assume innocence. If it was a moose however, I wouldn't be as nice.

That's still shooting to kill, though. My point was the only thing guns are used for is, at base, to kill things. At the same time, I won't deny that in terms of going out camping, defending yourself with a gun against a wild animal is about the only use I can think of that is anywhere near in line with my morals (you can have that one, and I honestly wouldn't have given that argument because in the case of something like a huge bear I doubt it'd be more scared of a puny human), but overall I still believe the negatives outweigh the positives.

[Goat]

@Flame

P1: http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=33806
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

What's the goal I'm shooting for here exactly?

P2: Fair enough
P3: We're talking about this privately if you really want my opinion on such a thing.
P4: Countries have border control for that reason exactly Flame
P5: Muslims aren't a race, we shouldn't treat them like one.
P6: You have Swedish women being told not to go out after night, german mayors telling girls not to dress provocatively to avoid being attacked by migrants. Things that here in the USA we accepted as not being very okay as far as victim blaming goes but you have regression in these countries to satisfy migrants.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/10/swedi ... -violence/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261380/ ... rt-spencer
P7: I don't exactly live a life of luxury but that doesn't mean people running into europe are entitled to them either. Now I like to believe you're playing devils advocate for the boys father, but do also consider he took money for taking people in his boat just as well too.
P8: Why do you call it a band-aid?
P9: You seem to be very worried over the "so long as it looks good on paper" portion when you've disputed and brought claims and evidence that the UK and other european countries were fine and well despite my evidence bringing up quite the contrary.

I don't believe they should be maximum security prisons either, but we do have to focus our efforts into fighting a war here ultimately against a very legitimate threat. You can keep your cynicism, but what people have had to deal with instead has lead to more long lasting damage than a few syrian safe zones ever could have.
P10: You've described taqiyya in their methods of invasion, but consider this is a worst (potential) case scenario ultimately.
P11: Your article is outdated in regards to what german police are reporting now.
P12: "Knives" were banned in the link that followed.
P13: People still don't have access to weapons that would make sense to have as self defense or home defense either. My point is that my previous statement on your country wanting people to give up "knives" which wound up including bladed weapons persists.
P14: Your point started from my point that when you give up your guns, your government will want you to give up knives. Your government calls shuriken, sickles, swords knives and proceeded to ban them. What have you done but prove my point the longer this has gone on.

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Who names their kid Rusty when their last name is Shackleford? Like I can't deny that it is almost clever, but the name definitely comes off like the stereotypes of Trump supporters. (This is mostly for meme's sake.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S580EX1nnYU

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Surprise surprise, Michelle Fields is a liar

On another note, given that Trump might face charges for "inciting a riot" because some people can't be held accountable for violent actions. I'm really considering what's going to happen post election should either Trump, Hilary, Cruz, or Bernie win.

I mean, I can't exactly expect leftists and socialists to revolt, they hate guns.

Edit: As the resident baby eating rich bourgeois that smokes the penis of only white tigers it saddens me to report to all Trump supporters hiding here that we have lost the KKK support we desperately need

Instead, they have gone to Hilary

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i have no idea how that proves anything because my view is obscured by old white dudes, and trump's melon. also without the actual audio video can kinda skew the magnitude of her complaint (meaning without tone you'd think she was talking like she almost died), which is probably why the video maker didn't have the courage to add it. rather than see what i want to see to confirm my narrative, i'll wait until professionals sort it out.

and i don't hate guns, just don't need them to feel secure, and haven't seen evidence people having them makes people any more safer in general unless it's like a guy pride thing or a doomsday prep thing i don't understand... and i can't even defend myself at all and i'm in a minority group with a high murder and hate crime rate

also the alternate reality where trump and his noble supporters are victims of left-wing thugs and did literally nothing to create a now boiling public schism bringing out the worst in everyone from the whole political spectrum is the most transparent thing i've ever seen. maybe he actually convinced himself the country was ever on his side?

mr. kkk strikes me as full of it and that he's just playing games, but even if he is genuine it would mean she's an extreme right wing candidate in disguise and i guess trump's "communist friend" that is my candidate would win... that said i'm not gonna defend her arbitrarily because ultimately i'm still assuming sanders eventually wins out, hoping anyway and she would really be me choosing status quo over something i find even more dangerous--conservative economics and social policy--and hold her character accountable later if problems did arise

[Goat]

also the alternate reality where trump and his noble supporters are victims of left-wing thugs and did literally nothing to create a now boiling public schism bringing out the worst in everyone from the whole political spectrum is the most transparent thing i've ever seen. maybe he actually convinced himself the country was ever on his side?

Frankly, it's give and take. Give us hell, we return it.

As far as I'm concerned, the mainstream media is calling what happened a riot. If people went out of their way to cause a riot at a rally, attack supporters, and cause a big fight.

Why would I think leftists are any less fascist then people try to make us seem? I mean granted the two of us thinking the other is going to lead the other into oblivion is by no means a good thing, but I'm more than ready to act this way if it means come time for Bernie to ultimately bern from a undemocrat Democratic grassroot squash, I'll get back to you on that end.

Also, are you really trying to convince me that was her talking as if she almost died? I heard this audio before, she sounds like a valley girl complaining over a fly landing on her.

Edit: Unrelated but
Edit 2: Also, that Bernie quote from earlier. He still said what was reported if you dig a video for it.
Edit 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGqcO1nhglM Here, have a Bernie video

[Lamby]

well yeah that would make her a transphobe and a delusional person with awful opinions, but its not the worst people have said to me. while i don't believe in fighting fire with fire because it's stupid and immature there's nothing about that one or other isolated incidents remotely the same magnitude at trump events because they consistently involve this behavior and worse, and it doesn't change that donald trump is no benevolent victim, because at some point someone has to break the cycle whether it's us or you and i suggest everyone should probably calm down together

and nah, i'm saying the video without audio that shows her tone makes her easily construed to be embellishing when really she's just appropriately perturbed after being grabbed, i easily bruise so any kinda rough force could do the same

and i'm not saying trump handed out "punch people" memos but rhetoric and belligerence stokes just as much fire, and there's a stark difference between how both candidates approached the aftermath