The Animation General

[Goat]

In another universe, I'm sure TTG has writers who are competant enough to write a show that's actually funny.

Do you want to know the issue here? If Teen Titans Go actually had at the very least, Uncle Grandpa levels of humor it would actually be rather enjoyable. It has all the charm of "randumb" and the narrative that people are mad that it isn't the original while true, isn't the entire story. The creators have taken each chance they have to insult the old fans and mock them, the people who bore a drill into our heads and left the word "Waffles" want to say we're bad because we can't appreciate their writing.

In terms of genuinely good "random" you have something like Invader Zim, which franklyl performs it a lot better thanks to the surreal nature of the show. TTG on the other hand is something I wouldn't even show to my own kids and would rather turn on whatever preschool block is on the television instead just because of how insulting the show is to everyones intellegence. It's on par with the annoying orange in effort, it's not some sort of victim of old nostalgic fans, it's an absolute stain on the membrane for anyone to try and watch.

But you want to know the worse part? It's slowly but surely becoming the new Johnny Test on the network, and TTG is as bad as spongebob when it comes to airtime much like Johnny Test was when it was still there. The point some of are here to make is that while CN does have a hit show, it also has a chain of **** while Disney ends up having a lot more sense of quality control.

Also, the creators of adventure have admitted to treating Finn like a plaything when it comes to wanting him to suffer. Gedouttahere with that rhetoric. CN in a storm that only rarely stops for a moment. Clarence and We Bare Bears, well I'll be honest. I don't like them, but I might like them more if CN stopped spamming TTG on the network.

So to finish, CN and Nick have been the source of animated ass while in comparison Disney hasn't made a terrible mistake in a while. Wanna know something about all the shows you mentioned? It's hard watching them when they play nothing but TEEN TITANS GO ON THE NETWORK AS MUCH AS THEY DO.

[Pufflehugs]

Upon rewatching TTG, it's alright, but doesn't belong on my list.

[Goat]

I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real
The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything

[eblu]

^

This is it. This is the movie that will start the apocalypse

[chaoadventures]

I'm not sad. I'm not mad. I'm laughing extremely hard at something I shouldn't be laughing at.

I'm gonna be honest: I see this coming out and getting very positive reception from the overwhelming majority of the critics and viewers.
I also expect all opposed to it to say it's horrible, with no middle ground.

But I don't care, I'm not gonna watch it. I don't watch movies I think will be good every often either though.

In another universe, I'm sure TTG has writers who are competant enough to write a show that's actually funny.

Replace Teen Titans Go with Uncle Grandpa, you've got how I feel.

[BlackLuigi7]

I don't like TTG for the same reasons many people do; it has no story, no morals, no character development, and is essentially ADHD: The show: The Cartoon: The experience. I'm okay with "Randumb" humor, as long as there's some kind of substance to it. TTG is made specifically to be made fast and cheap, using cookie-cutter assets and uninteresting ideas. A lot of CN shows are like that now. Hell, even one of the writers for it told RebelTaxi they don't put their all into the show, because they were hoping it would have been action-oriented.

I'm not saying the show is absolute utter crap or anything, remember that everything here is just people's opinion. Obviously it holds some kind of merit if they're making bank off of it. Even if it does feed into the onset of "ADHD Animation".

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The Emoji Movie is going to be what our generation is known for. Next to the Angry Birds movie.

EDIT:
Woah, as far as I can tell, Sony LITERALLY just won the rights to the movie. And one of the main directors is currently finishing up a movie for Disney.
Isn't like a year and a few months cutting it close for doing something from seemingly scratch? Does anyone know if they already started work on it, before they got the rights?

[Pufflehugs]

Oh god, the Angry Birds Movie.

As an Angry Birds fan, I'm absolutely disgusted by this movie. It has absolutely nothing to do with the characters I've grown to know and love. They share the same name and somewhat similar designs, but that isn't good enough. I mean, they turned Chuck into a ****** BOOMERANG. Isn't that Hal's job? Hal is even in the movie (albeit turned into Toucan Sam). In fact, EVERYONE is in the movie, including the Stella characters, even the Stella villain Gale (who has also grown extra long legs for the movie and appears to be missing her crown)! But you know who hasn't been confirmed for the movie? THE BLUES. That's right, the Blue Bird trio hasn't even been confirmed for the movie yet (there are three blue birds in the trailer, but they look absolutely nothing like the Blues, although the others aren't much better, these look NOTHING like the Trio we know)! Oh, and Terrence is essentially just a morbidly obese Red now. He was always kind of that, but it was never as emphasized in his design as it is here.

I can go on all day about how wrong this is.

[Nano]

What in the world is wrong with being fast and "randumb"? Why is there such a taboo against things that are cheap, easy to make, and ultimately draw in children? (the audience that CN is marketing to, not the 20 something year old people who remember when CN was "in their glory days")

If you don't like the show, that's fine. Don't watch it, it's probably not aimed to please you. However, for the majority of the kids that watch it, it's a lot of fun to watch and laugh at the waffles jokes or whatever. We were all there once, we all pretended to be "lolz look at me so randumb" or make other stupid references out of context about our favorite shows. I'm certain most of you still do.

I'm not at all calling TTG a masterpiece, by no means is it the best thing on CN. In fact, compared to most of the shows I like, it's pretty low on my list of what I'll watch on CN. However, I'm not going to judge it like I would Steven Universe or Samurai Jack because it's not >like< those shows.

Goat made a good point, it's similar to Johnny Test. I thought Johnny Test was awful, but it's not like I didn't understand why it wasn't popular. It appealed to the hyperactivity of a younger audience, rather than the cynical and depressed teens and young adults who still fondly remember their old cartoons.

Uncle Grandpa was absolute trash to me. I never at all liked it or the art style. It wasn't funny to me, while at least TTG could make me chuckle here or there. Again though, as bad as it is to us there's a reason it was so popular for a time.

TTG takes shots at the people who exploded on them for not being the show they wanted them to be. I can definitely understand why they'd poke fun at the people who can't take change. You don't need to like their writing, but you also don't need to take out your rage on them for not being what you expected them to be.

Zim was dark and twisted, something people can appreciate when they grow older because it still relates to them. That's awesome and whatnot, but that doesn't mean that if you're not dark and edgy as a show, you're just not good.

Alright, Adventure Time was someone's personal plaything for torture. That still doesn't discredit the 5 other shows I mentioned.

You know though, I don't think it's bad that CN pushed out shows that later become train wrecks. That's the whole point of the business. Throw a pilot out there, gauge interest, and drop the show if it ends up not being what the people want. Disney may reliably produce good things, but they're introducing shows at such a slow rate that more than half of the good shows on it are either ending, ended, or haven't started the next season yet. Meanwhile, CN has 5 perfectly good shows that still air regularly. When a few go down, the others will still be there.

Also I've come to the realization that TTG usually plays after school for childen, which makes sense, and the good shows begin to air around 4-5 PST. If you work around it all, you'll probably only see TTG once or twice every so often unless there's a marathon or something.

[BlackLuigi7]

What in the world is wrong with being fast and "randumb"? Why is there such a taboo against things that are cheap, easy to make, and ultimately draw in children? (the audience that CN is marketing to, not the 20 something year old people who remember when CN was "in their glory days")

Woah, jeez. I never personally said anything was wrong with it. That's just why I don't personally like it. I understand that they aren't marketing to me personally, but since this is a duscussion about animation in general, I feel like talking about why I don't like some things is sorta warranted?
Anyways, in my opinion, good animation will always draw in their target audience, but also won't sacrifice things that will draw in other consumers. This is why Spongebob was so amazingly great early on, and this is why people have fond memories of the shows they've watched in the past. One show I don't fondly look onto that I used to love is Flapjack, which began this whole trend, because it didn't share anything that withstands the test of time. It was just funny colors and sounds that occupied my time as a youngster. There isn't a taboo against things like that, that's just why I don't like it.

If you don't like the show, that's fine. Don't watch it, it's probably not aimed to please you. However, for the majority of the kids that watch it, it's a lot of fun to watch and laugh at the waffles jokes or whatever. We were all there once, we all pretended to be "lolz look at me so randumb" or make other stupid references out of context about our favorite shows. I'm certain most of you still do.

I still love Youtube Poop, and that's very randumb and not of much substance. I think you might be taking things a little too seriously here, Fox Man.
I said in the second half of my post that obviously it has some merit, because if it didn't, it wouldn't be a thing.

Goat made a good point, it's similar to Johnny Test. I thought Johnny Test was awful, but it's not like I didn't understand why it wasn't popular. It appealed to the hyperactivity of a younger audience, rather than the cynical and depressed teens and young adults who still fondly remember their old cartoons.

I used to love Johnny Test. Actually, I still somewhat like it, because it fills that niche while also having some semblance of a story. Again, I can see that these cartoons have merit.

TTG takes shots at the people who exploded on them for not being the show they wanted them to be. I can definitely understand why they'd poke fun at the people who can't take change. You don't need to like their writing, but you also don't need to take out your rage on them for not being what you expected them to be.

I can't speak for anyone else, but it kinda seems like you're the only one exploding on anyone here, no offence. I don't think anyone here is taking anything super seriously. ^^;


Sorry if I'm not catching onto something happening, or I missed something. I'm actually really confused right now.

[Goat]

Also I've come to the realization that TTG usually plays after school for childen, which makes sense, and the good shows begin to air around 4-5 PST. If you work around it all, you'll probably only see TTG once or twice every so often unless there's a marathon or something.

That answers everything

TTG takes shots at the people who exploded on them for not being the show they wanted them to be. I can definitely understand why they'd poke fun at the people who can't take change. You don't need to like their writing, but you also don't need to take out your rage on them for not being what you expected them to be.

I'm not mad at them for not being what they aren't, I'm mad at them for failing at what they tried to be and acting like it's not their fault they're bad writers.

Zim was dark and twisted, something people can appreciate when they grow older because it still relates to them. That's awesome and whatnot, but that doesn't mean that if you're not dark and edgy as a show, you're just not good.

"Edgy" I'm pretty sure all that toilet humor keeps it from getting edgy

I'm not at all calling TTG a masterpiece, by no means is it the best thing on CN. In fact, compared to most of the shows I like, it's pretty low on my list of what I'll watch on CN. However, I'm not going to judge it like I would Steven Universe or Samurai Jack because it's not >like< those shows.

Timmy tiers exist for a reason, I've been judging it based on shows that are on the same level of it.

If you don't like the show, that's fine. Don't watch it, it's probably not aimed to please you. However, for the majority of the kids that watch it, it's a lot of fun to watch and laugh at the waffles jokes or whatever. We were all there once, we all pretended to be "lolz look at me so randumb" or make other stupid references out of context about our favorite shows. I'm certain most of you still do.

We're consumers Fox, not the businessmen. You're framing this as if we're supposed to like it for the rather intelligent marketing decisions CN is making to drive up ratings in a failing cable society.

Aside from that, yes we were there, they were days we were sure we would never regret. We regretted them and learned to grow up, the reason some older cartoons while old but wind up being leagues better is something TTG must view as a foreign language that's known as comedic timing.

What in the world is wrong with being fast and "randumb"? Why is there such a taboo against things that are cheap, easy to make, and ultimately draw in children? (the audience that CN is marketing to, not the 20 something year old people who remember when CN was "in their glory days")

CN REAL WAS A DARK, DARK, AND DARK TIME FOX

[Pufflehugs]

Disney may currently be on top, but they have lost a bit of subtlety.

This


Became This

[Goat]

I'm a little thirsty and I can't eat well ever since my dental work.

Can you help me puffle, you're pretty good when it comes to grasping at straws

[Pufflehugs]

I searched up "Sonic Straw" thinking of the hedgehog, and this came up.



I have to say this is better.

[Ivogoji]

Teen Titans Go is a bad and boring show that uses shallow parodies of a beloved series as a vehicle for crude humor for no good reason. They could have done something clever that plays on the original show's cliches like Sonic Boom did with Sonic, but instead they basically told bland, cookie-cutter stories and stock jokes that you'd find in any other cartoon while doing nothing creative with the source material.

And that's all I got to say about that.

Disney may currently be on top, but they have lost a bit of subtlety.

This


Became This

I for one welcome our new multi-sided overlords.

[BlackLuigi7]

Disney may currently be on top, but they have lost a bit of subtlety.

This

Became This

To be fair

At this point everyone knows.

[Pufflehugs]

Disney may currently be on top, but they have lost a bit of subtlety.

This

Became This

Insert BlackLuigi7 text here.

Yeah, nothing definitely became more nothing.

[Jeffery Mewtamer]

The problem I have with Teen Titans Go is that, whereas the Teen Titans animated series from the mid 00s had a nice balance of light hearted humor and serious, sometimes dark, action, TTG is just light hearted humor all the time. If it was using a cast of original characters, it probably wouldn't bother me, but since it's using characters I'm use to seeing get serious when circumstances call for it, it feels like it's missing half the formula of the previous show and isn't even doing a good job of being a self-parody.

Also, I enjoyed quite a bit of Johnny Test.

Though, with how everyone is talking about Nick, Disney, and CN, I have to ask: what about animation from other sources?

I'm only familiar with MLP:FiM, but The Hub has a number of original animated shows, and while I know next to nothing about it, I've heard good things about Rwby from the web original category.

Most of the broadcast networks may have long since given up on animation and at least two out of the three old Cable Networks known for having large animated line-ups may be in decline, but is there really such a drought of newer networks and web-original picking up the slack when it comes to western animation?

[Ivogoji]

There aren't any animation networks besides channels affiliated with Disney, Nick, and CN.

The Hub no longer exists. It's been replaced by Discovery Family, which -only- has MLP. Transformers jumped to a horrible morning timeslot on CN, and all the 90s cartoons are gone.

Fox Kids and it's successor programming blocks, the source of countless anime localizations and some original series like TMNT 03, are extinct. Likewise it's various rival animation blocks on other networks. There is no new Saturday morning animation block on American airwaves and there hasn't been for years.

4kids Entertainment, much maligned for its sloppy dubs, is dead. It has been replaced by a licensing corporation. For good or ill, there are no longer any 4kids programs on television whatsoever.

Other than RWBY, I'm unaware of any web-original animation that's more than one or two episodes long. There definitely aren't enough English language web series out there to make up for the lack of cartoons on television. Even if cartoons as a medium switched from tv to internet streaming, who would supply the content except Disney, CN, and Nick? There's no body else around to do the job.

[Pufflehugs]

Other than RWBY, I'm unaware of any web-original animation that's more than one or two episodes long.

The Annoying Orange had a cartoon on CN that lasted for about 14 episodes.

[Ivogoji]

^Since that was on television it falls outside the category Jeff was talking about.

Also, thank you for reminding me that CN had the audacity to turn to a webtoon about talking produce into a fourteen episode series.

[Pufflehugs]

Wait, they're referring to cartoons EXCLUSIVE to the internet? Aren't there like, thousands that have gone on for more than two episodes? They aren't hard to find. Heck, I even made one (Not one I'm proud of, but certainly one, and more to come.).

[Goat]

I came back here

Just to tell off Nano on one show.

Where Clarence fails, Harvey Beaks Succeeds

[Nano]

Don't talk bad about Clarence. It's a fantastic show.

If we're gonna glorify Disney on "great content" though

Let's talk about Fish Hooks.

[Goat]

Don't talk bad about Clarence. It's a fantastic show.

If we're gonna glorify Disney on "great content" though

Let's talk about Fish Hooks.

[Pufflehugs]

It was alright, just alright. I'd put it somewhere between TTG and modern Fairly Odd Parents.