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Some of us are l's or g's or in betweens or none at all.

Figured we needed a thread about this to just discuss. It will probably end up causing some discourse but enjoy it while it lasts my dudes.
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They're evil and need to be gotten rid of
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I'd hope everyone here is gay. There's nothing wrong with being happy.
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There's an LGBT+ center downtown that accepts volunteers. If I can figure out transportation since it's an hour plus or so away, I might try to apply for helping out in the computer lab, since I grew up with Windows. They also have a cafe. They're also advertising an LGBT+ youth prom at the bar my mom used to work at a long time ago. Sounds like fun.

As for my gender and orientation I'm [MALFUNCTIONING PRINTER NOISES] but you can just think of me as some dude on the internet who wishes they had a flat chest and thinks pretty guys and girls etc. are nice but doesn't want to kiss them. Make sense?
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Heck that sounds really cool tsui, i hope you're able to get a ride there!!
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Enzo03 wrote:You sure do a great job of assuming that one's biology has some sort of intrinsic value, in spite of all of its hindrances and imperfections.
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Hinderances and imperfections is why we have medication to solve them, not encourage or validate under the guise of progressiveness. I'm not convinced the rising number of transgenders individuals is happening naturally, and much less having this pushed onto impressionable teenagers and children using telelvision, the internet, and even parents going as far as to push this onto their children with some even conveniently going back to normal after they were taken away from them.

To say nothing on the case of David Reimer and John Money.
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i made an identity awareness presentation for my student alliance for equality club last spring, went very well, mostly non-members showed and i got hugs and handshakes and thank yous

i was co-president of the club last fall, we put on a campus pride fest

was barely on campus this spring so i didn't go to gay club much at all al;sdf

next semester tho im coming back and i think everyone is pushing me to be the president, pride fest for this year is gonna happen

really sad i dont have a car so i cant go downtown to the gay bar and watch the performers, one of my friends works there and wants me to come

i'm a transgender non-binary boy that wants to be bigenital and look androgynous

i identify as bisexual/biromantic and have since i was 13, still identify with it for personal significance, history, and how it's still accurate to identify myself as such.

i experience pansexuality/panromanticism as an extension of my bi identity. i don't consider being pan a sub-category of being bi, but it's entirely valid if you personally experience it as an extension or perhaps experience bi identity as an extension of pan identity --- the proper umbrella term is multi when talking about being bi, polysexual/polyromantic, pan, and other multi-attractional identities in general. growing up as a teen with bi identity, and then reaching higher awareness of non-binary identity and trans people in general much later introduced me to the word pan, i never felt like pan replaced being bi for me, but rather pan was a specific experience under how i generally experience bi identity.

i also like calling myself omnisexual/omniromantic, i see it as an intersection of my pan identity and my alterhuman identity as i find non-standard souls to be particularly attractive

have to say though i'm pretty sure i have a preference towards guys, love my men, so i like saying that i'm gay/homo-leaning/andro-leaning/proquu-leaning/achillean

oh, i think i'm comfortable identifying as lunarian in addition to my gender identity, i will always feel like growing up assigned as a girl will always be extremely significant to me, my experiences with sisterhood with my sister, and another sort of sisterhood with my childhood friends i will always carry with me in happy sentiment. i feel like abusive scenarios i experienced as a former girl will always be with me too, i felt that after i got out of those situations, and really, really evaluated just what i went through, gave me a much needed appreciation for girls and a sense of needing to protect other girls from what i went through. it taught me an empathy that girls need to be given and i feel like it helped me get over internalized misogyny. it's just that, i felt my womanhood was highly damaged anyway and those experiences did make me develop into someone that can't be called a woman. i feel the masculine identity i have grown into is a shield towards the trauma i went through, and that i wish to also use this a weapon to protect girls from what i went through, so they don't end up having their womanhood damaged like mine was, so it doesn't have to be a traumatic experience that makes them develop into something else.

in addition to all this, i felt as though adopting masculine identity has given me a second chance of testing out feminine expression, and for once, i love it. i want to be a pretty boy. all the self-hate as a woman made me so repulsed to feminine expression for no reason, but this masculine shield and sword i carry makes me able to look at feminine expression again and appreciate how beautiful it really is. i feel that this is self-healing for me. of course wearing makeup and such does absolutely nothing to make me read as a boy, but if around understanding friends, i can be recognized as a pretty boy, that's all i need. (as a disclaimer though, i would love to look extremely manly too whenever i wanted but there is no way i can ever pass as this so pretty boy it is despite not passing as the 'boy' part and the 'pretty' is questionable but whatever)
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How Triert views himself
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Triert wrote:
Enzo03 wrote:You sure do a great job of assuming that one's biology has some sort of intrinsic value, in spite of all of its hindrances and imperfections.
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Hinderances and imperfections is why we have medication to solve them, not encourage or validate under the guise of progressiveness. I'm not convinced the rising number of transgenders individuals is happening naturally, and much less having this pushed onto impressionable teenagers and children using telelvision, the internet, and even parents going as far as to push this onto their children with some even conveniently going back to normal after they were taken away from them.

To say nothing on the case of David Reimer and John Money.
There's nothing wrong with kids and teens experimenting with their gender identities. Many people tend to realize they're trans when their kids. I think it's a good thing that television, the internet, etc is telling kids to explore these types of things.

There's a difference between parents forcing their children to be trans and parents accepting and supporting kids who identify as being trans. If a parent is forcing their child to be trans that's just like a parent forcing their kid to be cis when the child is trans. I know kids are kids and tend to not know any better but allowing them to explore these identities without any permanent changes is healthier than having them repress their feelings.

And maybe trans people see their dysphoria as hinderences. And you know what we do with hindrances? You answered that question yourself.
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I have something I'd like to bring up.

How do people feel about trans people in sports? Namely, trans women excelling further than trans women due to the way their bodies are?
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trans women who have been transitioning for a while have similar hormone levels to cis women, often even less testosterone due to taking testosterone blockers. i can understand the exclusion of trans women in sports if they have not been transitioning for very long, but after around 3 years of transition their ability to gain muscle and hormonal levels would be really similar to cis women's anyway.
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i think the debate is another way for transphobes to limit how much we're included under the guise of concern that convinces literally none of us, but i'm only 24 and 5 years transitioned, what do i know...

but i guess i would say what my girl ravenyte said
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Concern? Or simple bodily function?

Trans women do not perform at the same as women, what Raven said makes sense if after those three years their bodies wind up the same as regular women and tests prove they are the same. But it would be wrong to deny they have an advantage.
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my point was more advantage or not, i don't really believe people actually care about fairness; because generally trans people are in a catch 22 and deal with cis people spouting some irritating psuedointellectual moralizing whether we're forced to compete with men OR allowed to be put where we belong. like i just don't see us being naive enough to be like "huh i don't have my hrt going steady, i definitely feel safe trying out" that often, has that actually happened? because every major story i've seen involves someone pretty far into mtf transition

i mean i get what you're saying to a point, but from what i remember, people didn't flip out this much over steroids in wrestling which was actually an epidemic, so i doubt sports fans worried about us really are truly only concerned with ethics... i mean if you genuinely are only focused on ethics, good for you i guess? even still i still think people are disproportionately paranoid about sports of all things

but i still agree with ravenyte so, shrug, idk, you know?
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Sports is a bit eh for me. From what I've seen, short transitioning people should not be allowed to enter for sure. I can't say if long term should be allowed though.
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I don't really give a damn about sports, though I question why nearly all sports remain sex-segregated at the professional and semi-professional levels. For some of the sports that test a single, very specific ability(such as many of the events under the umbrella of track and field), I could understand normal morphological differences giving one sex an unfair advantage, but you'd think some of the popular team sports, especially those with multiple positions with specific tasks, would offer enough room for different specializations to make co-de play competitive.
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I know I'm a bit late to saying it, but I kinda wanted to address Triert's earlier concern about what I'll refer to as an Artificial Trasgender Movement. (For clarity, Artificial meaning that the pursuit is due to popularity or trendiness, and not a genuinely innate sense of one's self.)

The reason I bring it up is because I think it inherently has to take this artificial state to exist, just as anything involving gender. You need an existing social culture for gender to exist, and in society there will be pressures to fit in or find comfort or many other details. This means people are going to explore and find what suits them. Maybe too many people are quick to think that being transgender is their solution to some other problem, but we can only work with what we know.

I also think it is weird when people talk about only young people doing this. I think we just hear about young people having an interest in being transgender because it is a fabulous media tool for shaming anyone who has a genuine interest in anything. "The kids are doing it, so it is baby stuff. No adult should be doing it." But I compare it more to how one of my coworkers, a mother of two, didn't really consider that she was a lesbian until later in life, and is now much happier in her current marriage to her wife. Without exposure, people don't know much about themselves.

While I also speculate about the rise, I compare it more to how language and concepts limit ourselves. We inherently have a limited vocabulary, and until we can expand it to understand a new concept, or view an old concept from a different perspective, we are functionally trapped. For example, I think that the terms "heterosexual" and "homosexual" are excessive, because they require too much information: I am X and I like Y. Instead "androsexual" and "gynesexual" could get the same job done, but without requiring context as to who I am. Two different sets of terms that change the context and perspective.

I'm not sure that's the direction I wanted to take it. I may have overshared with this one. xP

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As for the athletics thing, there may have to be handicaps involved in the future, but I think there is no less unfairness to having a transwoman perform on a women's sport team as there is a woman with a naturally occurring hormone imbalance performing on the team. But that's definitely a complicated situation that goes across multiple academic platforms.
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Triert wrote:https://heatst.com/culture-wars/voltron ... y-romance/

Just gonna drop this here
Those are just crazy fans trying to get their ship to be canon. that doesn't relfect on the LGBT community as a whole
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so some dweeb with an obsession held some stuff over a creators head. why'd you make me read something dumb that no one cares about besides alt-right blogs

also to add on to bune, how do i know it's not just straight people being weird or some troll or if lgbt people were even part of it. it's just typical "look militant agenda" buzz propaganda. gross
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yeah can we not let toxic circles of fandoms dictate the respectability of any lgbt+ individual or groups
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