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My problem with the gay community

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I have no problem with gay people. My problem is that the gay community has taken over the rainbow pattern. If I were to use rainbows in art today, I would be considered gay falsely. I strongly dislike the fact that this is how the usage of the rainbow pattern is taken and understood. I would strongly appreciate the ability to use rainbows in art and everything else without being considered gay falsely. Anyone agree or disagree with me?
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I think as far as colors are concerned, people take them too... physically? I guess? That's the best word I can gather.

I personally support people doing as they please with themselves, but not associating a color with a form of movement of any sort.

So yes, I agree. That said, it's not necessarily the community as a whole, just sections of it.
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so does that mean a neutral chao automatically represent the flag of ukraine. Image
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Honestly this is the same type of issue with people who want to restore the swastika and removing the associations with Nazism. Regardless of previous contexts, it now has a new image that will not fade until a grand generational shift can occur.

The difference though is that you still can incorporate rainbows without it inherently being associated with the LGBT movement. I don't believe things like tie dye or Lisa Frank with the LGBT movement. I don't really think the shape of the rainbow is part of it, either. Just the color pattern, and even so, it only uses Violet, not Indigo. There's room to work, but you'll still have people who don't bother to look complexly and just assume it's for LGBT awareness.
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I believe the rainbow used for the gay or general LGBT+ pride flag is a very specific rainbow, with a very specific purple. Might I suggest changing the hues and brightness of the colors around a little if it concerns you? In any case, just using the usual default rainbow gradients is so hard on the eyes imo.

You could change the violet and red into a single magenta, maybe? And green and blue into a cyan. Just ideas.

Though I don't think anybody's "claimed" the rainbow. It's a natural occurrence used in a flag, like stars or the sun.

edit: Also if all everyone's gonna do is swarm and make fun among themselves, though I understand, I'm a little disappointed.
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i suPposE that thE gay flag does have the rainbow, but that Probably doEsn't mEan that you're gay. i'm sure no one Perceives yoU Primarily poorly BecAuse of the way you caRry yourself and that everyone KnowS you're straight.
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don't be so insecure

also did this actually happen to you or is it that thing straight people do when they don't wanna rock the boat too hard
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I dunno, it's not like I think he's wrong or anything. The gay community is heavily associated with rainbows now, so if someone tries to do an unrelated rainbow (for this example I'll say it's a work of art) it's not really gonna be surprising if the artist is pegged as pro-lgbt, a liberal, a gay, etc by the community because those observing the drawing are drawing the meaning of the rainbow from what's most relevant to it. In this case I'd say that the gay community is most commonly associated with rainbows more than anything else if you're above the age of 12.

Things don't exist in bubbles is what I'm getting at I guess.
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I mean really it depends how you use the rainbow. Using it just as a rainbow wouldn't be seen as LGBT. Using it with that spongebob imagination meme won't make you gay. Putting it on a flag? maybe you'd look pro-lgbt. But is that really a bad thing?

Honestly, who isn't a little gay nowadays?
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Why don't you just make something and say it has nothing to do with the lgbt community? If people don't accept it or get uppity, don't listen to them. I'll be honest, I don't see rainbows in much besides lgbt and psychedelic artwork so anything that calls for a rainbow in it besides for those two is a mystery for me.
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^Rainbow lights are cool in particular! The kind of aesthetics associated with the whole concept of a spectrum of bright digital colors. And a lot of RGB programmable gaming hardware by default (before the user assigns a single color). I don't think they're specifically marketing toward LGBT+ gamers/gaymers. That's getting off topic though I think.

To show you can use rainbows without it looking quite like the pride flag, here's a six-color rainbow I made that in my opinion looks different due to the blue and indigo in particular:
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Said pride flag for reference:
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And trust me, there are deeper issues in the gay community than something like rainbows.
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yeah like being gay lol hahah
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It's a good thing this is a topic about colors
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I wasn't aware a significant portion of the population had a kneejerk rainbows = gay reaction. Then again, skittles, Cds, Leprechauns, and MLP all come to mind before GLBT when I think of rainbows. Is this another of those Big Social Media phenomena?

And is the Swastika really all that corrupted? Sure, you almost never see it in western art unless the artist is deliberately comparing something to Nazis, but outside of moral guardians, I can't recall anyone complaining about all the manji found in Eastern art that makes it to Western shores, and moral guardians who complain about symbols are as likely to go after crucifixes and Stars of David as they are Swastikas and Pentagrams in my experience.
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@rajikaru you beat me to posting that :(
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like, i get what youre saying, but honestly comapred with the amount of compulsory heterosexuality in society and the amount of straight couples etc shoved in our faces from a very young age.. i think the gay community having the rainbow symbol is a very minor thing. also, the worst thing that's going to happen is that a piece of media might come across as supporting gay rights or lgbt postive.. which i cant understand being a bad thing

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y'all i've been a homophobe in the past but this is just petty get over it
if we want to talk problems with the gay community i have a few but i have (barely) enough common sense not to post them
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Before I add anything, I want to mention how no one is alarmed that Swifter hasn't said anything since the original post. Normally people respond to their topics closely after. Like it is really rude to be like this.

I'm going to address something Minty said, not to fight Minty, but to point out a problem with a concept that Minty shared that plenty of people apply to situations like this.
mintdrop wrote:... comapred with the amount of compulsory heterosexuality in society and the amount of straight couples etc shoved in our faces from a very young age.. i think the gay community having the rainbow symbol is a very minor thing. ...
This is not an argument: this is false equivalence. We're discussing symbols here, which means we'd need to give examples of where heterosexuals have dominance over a symbol, and then argue that the LGBT community has dominance over the rainbow.

For examples of heterosexual dominated symbols, the only thing that came to mind was the O in the SOX logo from Shimoneta, but that is just the insertion of the symbol for male inside the symbol for female: not exactly a symbol that can have many other meanings. Google doesn't really help me find examples either, and the only other example there is would be the mere standardization of heterosexual relationships in films, even when unnecessary, but that's not a visual aesthetic: that's just a tired media trope.

As for the rainbow, though, we've been given at least two examples where it is not inherently associated with the LGBT community: psychedelic iconography and the literal colorful arch. It also has a loose association with happiness, joy, or celebration, which is why you can find it on stickers used by grade school teachers. To some extent, it may even be considered a feminine symbol, or a symbol for diversity in general. The rainbow is a diverse visual aesthetic.

Because of this, making an argument behind "Well if we have all this straight propaganda, why can't we leave the rainbow alone?" is false equivalence. They're not very similar concepts to be comparing.

This is also why I don't think Swift needs to avoid using the rainbow: I think Swifter just needs to be mindful. Not all uses of the rainbow will invoke LGBT symbolism. Tsui has provided a solid example of choosing different ranges of the colors, and I stand by my joke about the LGBT flag have Violet, but not including Purple, which seemed to matter a lot when I was taught rainbows as a kid. There's also a lot of room for creativity with the rainbow, especially since the light spectrum is not really as evenly shared as many depictions of the rainbow suggest. When done by measurement, it is not nearly as rigid or blatant.
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Crazo3077 wrote:Normally people respond to their topics closely after. Like it is really rude to be like this.
crazo there is a 60% chance that swifter simply has not viewed ci since this was topic was made
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The thing is, you can see the last time a user looked at the forums on their profile, and Swifter has even looked at CI since you made that post.
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going off of crazo's "post when you have time" statement, that doesn't necessarily mean they have the time to make a post to address everything here

do note that I'm just saying this because it's a possibility and not a fact that I'm running around with
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"Before I add anything, I want to mention how no one is alarmed that Swifter hasn't said anything since the original post."

I wasn't aware this is something that's expected out of people, it's seems a little silly to expect it in my opinion.
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I'm realizing now that my phrasing may have been easy to misread, and apologize for not choosing my words more carefully.
Crazo3077 wrote:Before I add anything, I want to mention how no one is alarmed that Swifter hasn't said anything since the original post. Normally people respond to their topics closely after. Like it is really rude to be like this.
I'm 100% confident that Swifter has been reading the thread. I'm not calling Swifter rude, despite how it can be read. I was trying to say that I think that many people responding to the thread are being rude, and their rudeness is why Swifter hasn't approached the topic.

I hecked up and didn't reread before I posted. I was kinda rushing myself to get out the main thought, neglecting points of clarity. Sorry for the confusion.
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