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Do you like Smogon's metagame? (read post first, please)

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It isn't. Diancie is just incredibly new and doesn't have a tier yet, and isn't actually officially released in the Americas.
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Tier-wise, I think Diancie would fit UU. But that's just my take, Diancie is nice in doubles but it's not incredibly great in singles.
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Chances are it'll be in UU unless somebody finds a really powerful item for it to use, as it has no real niche other than being a stronger Carbink with a unique move.
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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Enough of that.

Mega Mawile is getting a suspect test aka most likely getting banned

I expected it though. Not because Mega Mawile deserves it, but Mega Mawile is the next in line as strongest Mega.

Mentioned reasons for being banned:
Being able to Subpunch that deals with Mawile's counter, Heatran. (just like Aegislash with SubToxic, a ridiculous argument, because no one actually runs that (also ridiculous because Breloom does it better, since it brings you to sleep while setting up for Subpunches (Also, any will-o-wisp user can cripple it, specially ones with prankster)))
Being unpredictable due to elemental fangs (Tyrantrum also has Crunch and Poison fang, as well as gets an ability that makes these moves stronger)
Having priority (who doesn't (and only if you will pull off a move))
Ridiculous high attack (I can name a few)

At this point, you can't really deny that Smogon is banhappy. I'm gonna go ahead and predict that Charizard X is the next one in line to be banned.
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME????
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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Wow, okay this is just getting sad. Why wasn't Mega Mawile OP before?
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Because they banned every other OP pokemon, so there's nothing good left.

Literally everything with will-o-wisp counters is, except if it doesn't outspeed at the off-chance you go up against a Subpunch Mawile.

Every fire pokemon can counter it, it can only hit neutral on it, except if it runs stone edge/rock slide.

Every ground pokemon can counter it, i can only hit neutral on it, except that most ground pokemon have rock as secondary type.


I also somewhere heard they complained about it ruining HP Ice Landorus, which is hilarious, because HP Ice Landorus are obtained in 3 ways:
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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With so many non-Legendary Pokemon being put up on the chopping block, I have to ask: Do any of them actually hold their own in actual Ubers competition? Or are we on the verge of needing and in-between tier for those too strong for Standard, but not quite strong enough for Ubers? One that might end up consistingly primarily of Megas?
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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I actually believe those banned from OU (evasion clause, Blaziken, the mega stones, etc) are technically not considered a valid competitive thing in ubers. They are mainly things frowned upon, and most people still don't tolerate it in ubers.
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Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:With so many non-Legendary Pokemon being put up on the chopping block, I have to ask: Do any of them actually hold their own in actual Ubers competition? Or are we on the verge of needing and in-between tier for those too strong for Standard, but not quite strong enough for Ubers? One that might end up consistingly primarily of Megas?
That's not possible. As the admins constantly remind everybody on Smogon, Ubers is a banlist first, tier second. Ou is the primary tier list for competitive, and Ubers is only there for things that are too powerful for OU, whether or not one is stronger than the other.
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Mawile has been officially banned.
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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I knew it. Next up in line: Charizard X. And I think Mega Medicham is after that.
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Y would be banned over X. Y is much more potent. And Mega Medicham probably isn't a bother. I highly doubt there will be any more bans to megas.
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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I'm pretty sure both of them would be suspected at the same time, since they're both gigantic threats in the metagame (Y has raw power and Drought, but is very weak to Stealth Rock and rock-type attacks, whereas X is immune to burns, and has an amazing typing and moveset for setup sweeper sets).
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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Y is more potent in doubles, smogon is singles.
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EvilPinkamina wrote:Mawile has been officially banned.
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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This topic has been dead, and I feel like a revive is in place since:

Anything goes tier list has been added.
Mega Rayquaza has been banned to anything goes, presumably because he doesn't need an item to mega evolve.
Mega Salamence is banned to ubers.

Personally, I'm surprised Primal Groudon and Kyogre aren't in anything goes since they are basically an extra mega to your team, which is insane.
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Also Greninja was sent to ubers.

Kinda fitting since he's a top tier Sm4sh character as well (I'm not talking Sheik level, but top 10 easily).
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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I heard people suggest why he wasn't in ubers yet. That's kinda bull**** though.

I also just noticed that drought has been banned from UU, but drizzle only has in combination with swift swim? That's odd.

EDIT: Drizzle + swift swim in OU as well? Has this been changed in XY or is this still relevant?
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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Mega Metagross has had it's subject test and will be voted for whether it will be banned to ubers or not.

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How did it go from UU to OU Suspect Test?
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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Apparently giving a psuedo-legend a mega is actually a little OP, because doing it with Garchomp, Tyranitar and Salamence wasn't enough.
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Like I stated before, Tyranitar and Garchomp didn't need a mega, and it sure as hell wasn't necessary because Tyranitar could rock an assault vest better and Garchomp could rock a rocky helmet in combination with rough skin better. Barely anyone runs these megas because of these reasons, other combinations in which these would be more useful without being a mega and because you're wasting a mega spot.
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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A little late, but Landorus has been banned.

No, not Landorus-T, Landorus-I has been banned. What a load of crap.
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Re: Smogon discussion (metagame)

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I don't use Smogon's tiers, builds, rules, or anything else.
I do check their builds to get ideas, however.
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