Metal Sonic WASN'T Crazy

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Metal Sonic WASN'T Crazy

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He was just mistaken!

Okay, so in Sonic Heroes, we witness Metal Sonic, freed from the chains of Eggman's command, transform into the Metal Overlord. He smugly declares "Long time no see, Sonic, my loathsome copy!" Later he claims "I was created for the sole purpose of destroying you!" After taking the finishing blow he exclaims "I am the REAL Sonic!"
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From these apparently contradictory statements, most fans concluded Metal Sonic was insane, believing himself to be the original Sonic the Hedgehog and at the same time an artificial being designed to destroy Sonic the Hedgehog. While this is indeed a reasonable conclusion, to me it seems extremely odd that a robot, a purely logical mind, would ever reach such levels of delusion. It is possible that there's another explanation, one that doesn't require Metal Sonic being crazy and that may shed light on the character's history.
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Ahh, the Little Planet, mysterious home of the seven-or-eight Time Stones, which grant one the power to manipulate time. Prior to the events of Sonic CD, that sexy scientist Dr. Eggman was able to get his hands on one or all of the Time Stones, allowing him to infest the Little Planet of the past with his machines and control the Little Planet of the future. It is important to note that the badniks used to carry out the occupation of the minature world are the same from beginning to end. Exploring the Past, Present, and Future of the Little Planet using the time travel warp posts reveals that Eggman's robots are created by large robotizers/badnik generators, that destroying them prevents the badniks from controlling the future (thus producing a "Good Future" for that zone), and that if the badniks are free to have the run of the place they fall into disrepair as the time periods go on. This means that A- all of Eggman's robots for this adventure were created in the Past, and B- all of Eggman's robots reached the other two time periods by waiting for that much time to pass.
It is only logical to conclude that both these facts hold true for Metal Sonic. Indeed, the presence of Metal Sonic Projectors giving orders to exterminate the local wild life in the past indicate that he was part of the badnik vanguard from the very beginning.
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If so, a question arises: just how much times passes between the Past of the Little Planet and the Present? Judging from the level of development that each zone goes through between time periods, it would appear to be decades. Looking at how wild Past Palm Tree Panic is compared to Present Palm Tree Panic, and at the technological upgrade Quartz Quadrant recieves from Past to Present, one gets the impression of an enormous length of time going by while Eggman's robots try to dominate the tiny world. In further support of a large gap between each era, the various badniks inhabitting the zone deteriorate as the years wear on, becoming run down and broken in the Future (as well as, tellingly, the Present). To put a perspective on how long it takes for one of Eggman's robots to become a derelict wreck, look at E-123 Omega in Sonic Next-Gen. Omega goes into stasis for two hundred years and is still in prime condition when he awakens. We might not be looking at a matter of decades, but centuries passing between time periods in Sonic CD. Now, either thanks to Eggman using time travel to bring Metal to the Present or Metal spending his time out of service in suspended animation-
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-(which would work towards explaining a lot of things, really) the robot is in perfect shape to take on Sonic when the two meet in the game.

What does any of this have to do with Metal Sonic's identity issues?

Well, if these conjectures are true, it means Metal Sonic was created long before Sonic the Hedgehog was ever born. Let that sink in for a second.

If Metal Sonic is indeed older than Sonic, then perhaps there is precedent for him to believe he is the original and Sonic is the copy. After all, it has been suggested quite seriously, that Sonic himself is an artificial being- even a version of the Ultimate Life Form, or otherwise an unnatural creation. Whether true or not, Metal Sonic obviously subscribes to the theory, and in addition believes Sonic was a rip off of HIM. After all, if he was created first, and Sonic is artificial, it would be no stretch of the robot's imagination to assume he is the real hedgehog. We can't really judge a character in-universe for advocating an idea that many fans themselves developed and some still support, even if the character has his own twist on the concept. Metal Sonic might not be CRAZY, but rather MISINFORMED about the origins of his nemesis. Such a possibility would speak volumes about Eggman's ability to program an AI.

In conclusion, Metal Sonic most likely isn't insane, but rather sees himself (incorrectly) as the product of a Stable Time Loop, in which he was the "original" Sonic, designed to destroy a future enemy of the Eggman Empire, who turned out to be an organic "copy" of the true blue metal edition and wrecked Eggman's plans, causing Eggman to go back in time to create a weapon capable of destroying the "copy", the "original" Metal Sonic. See, he's not crazy, he's just a time traveler! A poor, confused time traveler!

There is more yet to say regarding the implications Sonic Heroes has on Metal Sonic's time travel shenanigans, particularly concerning his appearance in Sonic Rivals, but that would distract from the current topic. Maybe later.
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This makes sense

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at how much sense it makes
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Whoa. This... this makes perfect sense. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
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Fans assumed he was insane? That's odd, because he showed no signs of illogical behavior. The whole "I'm real, you're fake" isn't a new thing to Sonic games. Shadow jeered Sonic with "faker" which was really just a figurative way of saying he was the better of the two. I always perceived Metal Sonic to be doing that same thing.

However, that's a pretty creative and plausible notion, Ivogoji. Nice.
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^It was Sonic that called Shadow a faker (I don't know why everyone thinks it's Shadow's thing- I've never heard him say it before), and then it wasn't a matter of pride, but the fact that the media had blamed Shadow's acts of theft and terrorism on Sonic, who figured Shadow was some kind of imposter. Sonic was being perfectly serious. Likewise, many believed Metal Sonic was also being serious when he claimed he was the real Sonic and Sonic was his copy- a strange claim indeed for a robot to make about the organism he was modeled after.
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You're right, it's Sonic who calls Shadow a fake hedgehog. But Shadow still retorts. "Faker? I think you're the fake hedgehog around here. You're comparing yourself to me? You're not even good enough to be my fake!" sounds like pride to me. Whether or not Shadow makes this retort out of overconfidence or from not getting credit for his actions is inconsequential, the point is that Metal Sonic isn't the first character to use the "inferior model" theme as a comeback, so it's reasonable to assume Sega was just using the same motif again.

Also,
Ivogoji wrote:If Metal Sonic is indeed older than Sonic, then perhaps there is precedent for him to believe he is the original and Sonic is the copy.
He's a robot. He's been programmed to be better than Sonic, so it's of little surprise he would refer to Sonic as a cheap copy instead of an individual, or even possibly be programmed to believe this from the start. Nega even reprograms him, meaning programming is the basis for his function.

I'm not saying your idea is poor, because it's actually really cool; I'm just considering other possibilities.
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Really nice theory. Much better than most I've heard.
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Ivo.

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^Because I'm not Japanese?XD
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He's absolutely right! Metal sonic didn't have anger issues and when I saw the movie, Metal sonic said "There is only one sonic." If its anyone who has issues, it'd probably be Silver sonic. :blink:
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the only problem i have with this theory is

it's a game series

stop getting so much into it

the reason they don't explain this is because

A. you're probably the first person ever to care about it, and

B. it's supposed to be left to you imagination whether or not he was crazy

i believe he's a bad-ass robot hedgehog who runs fast

that makes me correct because that's what my imagination says

who cares whether or not you have facts that prove your hypothesis correct

it's a GAME

use your IMAGINATION

it's like trying to figure out why the girl loves the guy in the sitcom even though they have no similarities

they're leaving it up to your imagination
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Of course Metal Sonic wasn't crazy. He's a robot. Robots don't go crazy. They malfunction or stray from their original programming.

Plus the whole thing just seems like the generic "clone/robot double decides they're better and tries to replace the original" type of storyline to me (whenever he declares himself the real sonic). It just so happens that in order for Metal Sonic to do this he malfunctioned and rebelled against his creator. Which isn't anything new to me either. Plus the whole robot trying to take over the world thing in Sonic Heroes seems like a malfunction of his programming to make sure nothing stops Eggman from taking over. Metal sonic made the take over his objective.

That's how I see it.

Edit: added some more thought now that I'm not in the middle of eating as I type. xD
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Spam90675 wrote:the only problem i have with this theory is

it's a game series

stop getting so much into it

the reason they don't explain this is because

A. you're probably the first person ever to care about it, and

B. it's supposed to be left to you imagination whether or not he was crazy

i believe he's a bad-ass robot hedgehog who runs fast

that makes me correct because that's what my imagination says

who cares whether or not you have facts that prove your hypothesis correct

it's a GAME

use your IMAGINATION

it's like trying to figure out why the girl loves the guy in the sitcom even though they have no similarities

they're leaving it up to your imagination
Actually, I noticed this when I first played Heroes.
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Spam90675 wrote:the only problem i have with this theory is

it's a game series

stop getting so much into it
No.


Quit spoiling my fun.
Spam90675 wrote: the reason they don't explain this is because

A. you're probably the first person ever to care about it, and
So?
Spam90675 wrote: B. it's supposed to be left to you imagination whether or not he was crazy
Says you. Why should I believe that?
Spam90675 wrote: that makes me correct because that's what my imagination says
Your imagination is meaningless to the canon of the franchise. You aren't a member of Sonic Team anymore than I am. Your imagination is fanon.
Spam90675 wrote: who cares whether or not you have facts that prove your hypothesis correct
I do, actually.
Spam90675 wrote: it's a GAME

use your IMAGINATION

they're leaving it up to your imagination
I used my imagination.

And I used facts.

Do you have a problem with that?

Quit spoiling my fun.
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I for one find game theories interesting reads as long as they contain strong evidence belied in game, which is what Ivo incorporated.

While we're on the subject, I feel like game theories are, I venture to say, on some level, useful, because creating them requires research and persuasive skill, and discussing them requires argumentative skill. It seems like good practice.
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All this time (like many others) I thought Metal Sonic was made in the present era of Sonic CD.
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@Spam90675:

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Okay, your opinion is great and all, but looking over all these posts you are making to these threads, I only have one thing to say: we aren't you. Yes, it is a game, but games are meant to be enjoyed, and if creating theories adds to a person's enjoyment, why not? Don't go telling them, or hinting they are 'unnatural' in your eyes for doing so. Every person is different. Also, OP IS using their imagination. Imagination and theories are kind of the same thing in basics, even though theories have a lot more to do with realistic outcomes.

Like Ivogoji said, just quit spoiling the fun. Now you are coming off as more as just a jerk than someone who thinks differently.

ANYWAYS,

Very amazing theory. I have not really put in a lot of thinking to Metal Sonic (I haven't played Sonic Heroes in a long time), especially not recently, but this definitely has perked my interest.

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Medic wrote:*dumb meme image not describing the subject at hand at all but making poster look dumb*
Okay, your opinion is great and all, but looking over all these posts you are making to these threads, I only have one thing to say: we aren't you. Yes, it is a game, but games are meant to be enjoyed, and if creating theories adds to a person's enjoyment, why not? Don't go telling them, or hinting they are 'unnatural' in your eyes for doing so. Every person is different. Also, OP IS using their imagination. Imagination and theories are kind of the same thing in basics, even though theories have a lot more to do with realistic outcomes.

Like Ivogoji said, just quit spoiling the fun. Now you are coming off as more as just a jerk than someone who thinks differently.
okay, i could waste my finger movements by typing up a response and keeping this going because our opinions obviously differ vastly and you think using logical arguments will make me read any more than i have to but right before i read your post i saw the meme picture and realized you were just being silly, and right after that i realized i'm a jerk anyways
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@Spam90675:

Sorry for making a slightly off topic post. But I wasn't being silly. I posted that meme picture because it fit my reaction. And it is not annoying for me, I do not know if you mean unreadable. If unreadable you may want to check in to the browser Google Chrome if you do not have it. If you do simply go to the wrench in the corner and click the little plus sign next to zoom. Fonts should appear bigger.

Also you don't look like that much of a jerk to me, that was a little out of line for me. I guess you were just putting your opinion too...'shoving-it-down-our-throats' like.

/shamelessly tries to add some sort of on topic dialogue:

I didn't really ever think he was insane. I didn't know some fans thought that, by the way.
That wasn't the reaction I was expecting, good sir.
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^A wide number of Sonic wikis and fansites posited that Metal Sonic's statements in Heroes indicated that he was insane, and I always assumed this is what most Sonic fans thought, even though the idea never sat well with me. Even the RP I used to frequent took that interpretation and ran with it, making it a part of Metal's mind set. Maybe that's why I figured everyone believed Metal was nuts. Apparently fewer people held that view than I thought, though the alternative explanation- that Metal was making a generic declaration of superiority, not speaking literally- also seems out of character for him. As mentioned above, Sonic and Shadow had a similar exchange in SA2, calling each other fakers, but Sonic was being serious when he made that statement, while Shadow was only making a comeback. With Metal Sonic there was no exchange of banter with his nemesis- the robot was making a claim unprovoked and with no indication that he didn't mean it. Right up to when he lost the final battle the Metal Overlord declared with strong conviction that he was the real Sonic. I guess it depends on how you interpret the dialogue, but he sounded pretty literal, and a lot of sources took it literally.
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