Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

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Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Triert » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:44 am

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Sonic Adventure 2 seems to have an Idiot Plot where people can't tell the difference between Sonic and Shadow, resulting in Sonic being framed when Shadow steals the Chaos Emerald. However, it becomes fridge brilliance when you consider that the organization that blamed Sonic was G.U.N., which may have been framing him in order to hide Shadow's existence.
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GUN knew they arrested the wrong fellow.

That aside, I imagine the reason GUN had Sonic arrested was because they planned to have him help them defeat Eggman as well as secure Shadow. Rouge working as a double agent would have made for a very interesting Sonic Adventure 2 had Sonic not escaped at the start of the game.

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Nano » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:11 am

Sonic was actually arrested for vandalism of public property.

Little known fact that doesn't seem to get mentioned anywhere.
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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Triert » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:24 am

What kind of destruction nets you a stay in Sonic Universe Alcatraz?

If I recall, he only destroyed those cars after they arrested him.

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Ivogoji » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:14 am

Well yeah. That was pretty obvious.

Rouge was working with the President rather than GUN in this game (after all, it was GUN who covered up the information she was trying to investigate), so she wouldn't have acted differently in another scenario.
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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Sable » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:12 am

kind of off topic but like...

why is the project shadow logo all over like, literally everything in the game? like what did gerald use gravity cylinders for
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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Triert » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:32 pm

Gravity Cylinders?

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Triert » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:47 pm

Being able to control the flow of gravity can be very useful in space.

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Ivogoji » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:45 pm

Project Shadow heavily involved Gerald's research with the Chaos Emeralds. Notice how he built a replica of the Emerald Shrine on Angel Island. What does Angel Island do? It floats. Certainly a scientist would find Chaos energy's effect on gravity highly intriguing.
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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Triert » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:22 pm

Given the nature of the chaos monsters in the ARK, his research must have been pretty advanced. The time stopping nodes too!

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Jeffery Mewtamer » Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:23 am

Makes one wonder how much good Gerald could've done for Humanity and Anthro-kind if his research hadn't been bogged down by military bureaucracy and said military hadn't decided to execute him and seal away his research for whatever reason. I also wonder if Ivo might not have started on his path to world domination had his Grandfather survived to be a living rolemodel.

Also, artificial Gravity is sort of a basic requirement if you don't want you're orbiting space lab to have everything constantly in free fall. The real-life International Space Station performs many low-gravity experiments, but just moving around the station is a challenge since everything that isn't attached to the walls, floor, or ceiling just floats in midair and there isn't enough gravity to give a proper sense of down.

And while mistaken identity doesn't seem too farfetched considering there aren't that many hedgehogs capable of moving at supersonic speeds and that Sonic's fur has been known to spontaneously change color, I agree a botched attempt to recruit Sonic and trying to keep Shadow's existence underwraps makes more sense.
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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by ChrisOfChaos » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:53 am

In fairness he did commit a bunch of crimes unnecessarily, like vandalism and attacking GUN officers when he could have just avoided them.

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Triert » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:21 pm

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before or after they arrested him

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by ChrisOfChaos » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:11 am

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before or after they arrested him
So you're saying that if I get arrested, and I get away, and see a cop standing in the road, even if I can avoid him and drive right past, I should run him over? Sonic is fast enough to completely avoid G.U.N. forces if he wanted to, and instead he attacks their robots (blowing up god knows how many cars along the way) and takes on a mech-operating G.U.N. officer instead of just running for it. If you're a fugitive who's actually innocent, why would you hurt the people trying to hunt you if you don't have to? All that does is make you guilty of a dozen other crimes in the process of proving yourself innocent of one crime.

Now then...what were you saying about my comment being "ignorant"?

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by chaoadventures » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:49 am

yo he's saying that he did that after getting arrested

therefore, that has nothing to do with his initial arrest
which was for the crime of robbing a bank

of which the discussion is about whether or not gun knew the guy who initially robbed the bank was actually shadow the whole time

in other words,

it's a good additional reason for him to be arrested after city escape, but not for him to be in handcuffs in a helicopter before that

also I imagine the cars destroyed in city escape were actually kept to a minimum, and that the gun truck dealt more environmental damage than sonic ever did
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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Triert » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:24 am

@ChrisOfChaos

if i get falsely accused for a crime by a worldwide organization that will more than likely use any excuse to hold me against my will with no apparent "free sonic the hedgehog" campaign visible after saving a city from a giant water monster, and canonically before that liberating little planet, or even getting a single echidna to stand with a sign saying "free sonic" despite the fact that in this timeline we can still reasonably assume sonic 3 and knuckles happened.

do you really think i wouldn't try to escape the city.

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by ChrisOfChaos » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:11 am

Triert wrote:@ChrisOfChaos

if i get falsely accused for a crime by a worldwide organization that will more than likely use any excuse to hold me against my will with no apparent "free sonic the hedgehog" campaign visible after saving a city from a giant water monster, and canonically before that liberating little planet, or even getting a single echidna to stand with a sign saying "free sonic" despite the fact that in this timeline we can still reasonably assume sonic 3 and knuckles happened.

do you really think i wouldn't try to escape the city.
Obviously you would. But that's exactly the point. If you're as fast as Sonic you don't need to attack G.U.N. forces or destroy cars to escape the city. All that does is make you guilty of vandalism and assault, which weren't necessary crimes to commit. A fugitive who was wrongly convicted would still have to faces charges for crimes he did commit while on the run, even if he was cleared of charges for what he was wrongly accused of.

My point being that Sonic shouldn't be attacking G.U.N. forces because that gives G.U.N. genuine grounds to arrest him. If they are trying to find an excuse to take him in all he would be doing is making it easier for them to incriminate him and paint him as the villain they want him to be.

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Ivogoji » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:33 am

Sonic doesn't care who is wrong or who is right, he just has to live by his own feelings.
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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by ChrisOfChaos » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:38 am

Ivogoji wrote:Sonic doesn't care who is wrong or who is right, he just has to live by his own feelings.
Yeah my favorite example of him doing that is when he stops in the middle of a road and dances for no reason, then finds an orphaned baby Tails and refuses to help him because "I can't slow down for stuff like that."

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Re: Sonic's arrest was a conspiracy

Post by Jeffery Mewtamer » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:42 pm

I like to think that, canonically, Sonic just did tricks off all the vehicles in City Escape and that the cars destroyed playing the level are the collateral damage of story and gameplay segregation. Also, assuming Sonic didn't lump GUN in with the likes of Eggman from the beginning, being arrested and having robots sent after him probably destroyed any respect for their authority he ever had. Sonic is a good guy, but he's very much on the Chaotic end of the order versus Chaos spectrum, and GUN, even if you don't view them as evil, is very much a Lawful organization and would probably be antagonistic to Sonic regardless unless forced to work together. And by the end of the game, I'd argue GUN are clearly the real villains of SA2.
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