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So I've seen a few users deliberately misgendering transexual users and as an ally and occasional dysphoric, this bothers me greatly. It's sad to see how people entirely refuse to accept the concept of non-binary genders and even tho this is understandable on younger users it is unacceptable behavior on those who are now able to consciously generate their own INFORMED opinions. As a community that calls for equality we should all make a conscious effort to accept and learn about trans users as well as the rest of the lgbt community to guarantee the greater good for our userbase. I encourage those who are unfamiliar with such concepts and ideas to establish considerate conversations with those versed on such topics and try to understand that everyone's identity is entirely valid and important.
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thank you for your continued support buddy i love you too
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i am glad to see you are now supportive of the lgbt agenda snowy! good going bud
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You are very welcome! ^.^
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I agree as well.You have my support.
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I have a friend and i keep accidentally calling him a her because he has a woman's body. He isnt old enough to have the surgery, but he is just as much a guy as me or some other guy. I know WHY i accidentally call him a her sometimes.
Basically, on a game if a male player is playing a female, you will call the player a girl, and vice versa, its the same general concept.
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sometimes it takes some time to get used to calling trans* person by their current identified gender, mostly i'm still getting used to this w/r/t riku since i only have noticed this more in the past couple or so months (so apologies regarding that, miss)

but yeah it kind of puts me off also since i'm friends with a number of trans* and agender peeps (including my own girlfriend)
though me being friends with more trans* people in the past year is still relatively new to me, especially after currently identifying as genderqueer/fluid

regarding me though, idc what people call me, just don't insist i'm a girl when others call me a he because i'm also pretty cool with that. i'm currently working on making myself appear and sound more androgyne
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On CI, I just call people by what they set their gender to on their profile.
And if they don't set one, then they get "they/them".
I figure they choose what gender it says, and thats what they want people to call them, so its probably easiest.

In real life though, I have a friend who I've known for years who recently came out as MtF.
And I gotta say, using "her/she" is SO MUCH easier than using her new name.
Its mostly because I have a slight lisp and have a very hard time saying her new name, I always stutter or stumble or sound stupid :C
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Honestly, it bothers me that so many get hung up on something as trivial as pronouns, though this is one reason I wish the English language had a propr non-specific singular animate pronoun.

That said, I fully support transexuals and transgendered individuals, as well as anyone else who does not fit the "illusion of normalcy" that some have deluded themselves into believing. Though I have to admit that, since much of what we consider masculine or feminine regarding gender is cultural, I have a hard time understanding the concept of gender in its pure, non-culturally biased form.

I also hope that medical science eventually reaches the point where transexuals can not only change the chemical and structural sex of their body to match their identity, but actually produce offspring as their chosen sex.
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It bothers me greatly as well to think that people would purposefully do such a thing. I noticed some people labeling me not so long ago, though I dismissed it as a mistake. Hopefully it was a mistake and it doesn't happen to anyone again.
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this is a problem because if you don't know you might have to use "it"
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May I just say they/them/their are excellent gender neutral terms. Seriously guys it's amazing wow.
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^Except that They/Them/Their are generally considered to be referring to more than one person. Of course, pronouns are the most trivial of concerns regarding transexual and transgender issues, so it really is not worth getting upset about pronouns. Still, for clarity, its better to Address the 3rd person by name and save prnouns for the 1st person and instances where a pronoun is unambiguous.
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I don't know anyone who is transexual, really. I do know a guy who's physically a girl, but I don't consider that transexual, because he always felt like a guy, so he never really was a girl, ever. I respect him being a guy, and after telling me this, I feel embarrassed and ashamed everytime I accidentally refer to him as 'she'. I'd rather consider someone transexual when they changed gender somewhere in their life.
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'Trans' makes it sound like they 'transformed' into that gender. I don't like to have in mind that he changed gender. He always felt like a guy, he never was a girl at some point, so I'd rather refer to him as a guy if you don't mind.
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yeah thats literally what transgender means tobi
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Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:^Except that They/Them/Their are generally considered to be referring to more than one person. Of course, pronouns are the most trivial of concerns regarding transexual and transgender issues, so it really is not worth getting upset about pronouns. Still, for clarity, its better to Address the 3rd person by name and save prnouns for the 1st person and instances where a pronoun is unambiguous.
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tobi. tobi....
gender, is a thing, an identification
they feel like a dude, so they'd prefer to be called a dude
even if they don't have the plumbing for it
if they did get corrective surgery, then they would be referred to as transexual
not transgender
i don't blame anyone for being confused, i guess?? but yea
there's a diff
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Trans means accross form or to cross, in contrast to cis, which mean in alignment with or on the same side as.

Sex is the physical distinction between male and female(i.e. it is determine by which set of reproductive orangs you have).

Gender is the psychological distinction between masculine and feminine(i.e. it is determined by state of mind and behavior).

Someone who is Transgendered is of the gender opposite their sex(i.e. Masculine females and feminine males).

Someone who is Transexual feels like they have the wrong set of parts.

Now, just as gender and sex are separate, though often confused concepts, transgender and transexual are likewise separate, though often confused, concepts.

For example, someone might be born female and desire to become male while still being of feminine gender.

Though this does raise an interesting question: Does undergoing a sex change change one from transgender to cisgendered or via-versa?

Something else that makes things tricky is indentifying what is truly a manifestation of gender and not merely culture(for example, in the present day, blue is for boys and pink is for girls, but historically, this has been reversed).

Also, image based posts are annoying enough what with being unable to see, but is it too much to ask that comments directed at the forum's resident blind man be kept to text? [/sarcastic ranting]
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Usually this stuff racks my brain to the point where it hurts so I just call them whatever comes to mind first.
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Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:Also, image based posts are annoying enough what with being unable to see, but is it too much to ask that comments directed at the forum's resident blind man be kept to text? [/sarcastic ranting]
it probably didn't help that i didn't even know about that, oops
they/their has been a legitimate gender-neutral pronoun for ages, so either way,
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Usually I just say them/their/they if I'm not sure. Or call them by name. But I always try to respect the way people view themselves.
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