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Re: Venezuela

Post by Pufflehugs » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:23 pm

EvilPinkamina wrote:
5. Trolling
No trolling (inciting flames/insults from another user), i.e. if you are going to post a topic about how much you hate socialism with the sole intention of annoying the board, this is not allowed.
On this note, in the past there was huge disruption based on the topic of "Chao Haters". If you want to post facts and research on the effects of attacking Chao, then do so, but aimless posting about beating Chao with the intention to annoy other users, such as Chao torture stories or something similar, is not allowed.
There, I edited the rule to accurately show what is currently going on. Triert didn't outright say "I'm doing this to aggravate [x] user" but his past behavior with CI's local communist and now this post providing horribly skewed, inaccurate information just to **** on socialism as a whole makes his intentions quite clear. If this forum stopped talking about politics as a whole, on both sides of the political spectrum, it would be a far better experience for everyone involved.
Your edited quote states one thing (doing it to solely annoy the board), yet your actually quote says another (doing it to **** on socialism)
Also, nobody said you had to get involved in the political discourse in the first place. You could have simply ignored it, which is something that you genuinely should do if it bothers you to this degree.
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Re: Venezuela

Post by Triert » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:25 pm

If people could ignore something that bothers them we wouldn't have had a meme removed on this website.

I mean really, it's hilarious that the same kind of shrieks that got offended over that are calling me the immature/sensitive one these days. But hell, aint projection a thing?

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Re: Venezuela

Post by EvilPinkamina » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:52 pm

It's a stupid ****** drama cycle that does nothing but incite frustration, and it happens OVER and OVER and OVER. I guess I have to be very blunt about what appears to be obvious though. This post is specifically targeted to bait a response from Lamby, a far left member of Chao Island. Triert also incessantly refers to her and other members completely uninvolved from the current topic as "cancer" due to previous, currently irrelevant interactions.

Here's the cycle:
1. Triert makes a political topic or posts in a political thread
2. Someone posts a rebuttal.
3. Triert doubles down
4. Other people get involved
5. Triert goes into full triert mode and either ignores people's arguments (or sometimes blatantly dismissing them without any form of rebuttal) due to their political affiliation, attempt to discredit them with out of context statements that he perceives as contradictory, or attempting to change the topic to something he thinks he has a better chance of arguing.
6. People get annoyed at his ********.
7. Repeat.

It was funny at first, but now i just dont see the point.

EDIT: Also, Triert, you're probably the most sensitive person I've ever met. Half the **** that triggers you is so hairlike that even the most extreme "ess jay dubble u" that you claim to fight against wouldn't react.
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Re: Venezuela

Post by Lamby » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:00 pm

just so you know hun, i'm not entertaining ur male ego anymore or your forum antihero delusion or these middle school education level attempts at discussing issues. if you miss me enough to make threads that suck at deconstructing communism, try to remember there are easier ways to reach me.

but i will say this: please study history and political theory and Venezuela because using a tweet from one citizen means zero. it's like equating a neckbeard's rambling with the state of the USA

mods, i know that isn't very "constructive", but i'm also the only person on this forum that is openly anything near communist and triert's fave to flip out about , besides maybe crazo, and his friends that got tired of him so i'm a little skeptical this thread isn't just bait because he's bored/lonely/likes to fight with me and um "cancer" blahblah sjw space aliens

that will be all from the resident hot babe who is now as tired as pinka.
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Re: Venezuela

Post by Triert » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:06 pm

There are more people who believe in socialism than just Lamby here, you realize that right?

From your perspective you're free to call me "the most" anything, I'm not the one who wanted people to not post images on topics.

But no, let me tell you the problem I have with people here.

1. Person who isn't me shares left wing opinion
2. Left wing forum users gang up and overwhelm them like they do with me

Me and Eboy aren't the only people who ever pick up on this kind of gang mentality other cancerous people have here.

If trying to insist i have an obsession that badly with Lamby is the new thing people will try and do here then you'll have to try again.

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Re: Venezuela

Post by EvilPinkamina » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:17 pm

I agree, members on this forum have a bad habit of ganging up on people. You know what would prevent all of that political discourse though?

Not ****** talking about politics. There's a reason political discussion is banned on almost every modern chat forum that isn't directly political.
And look, out of all the other "sources of cancer" on this site you used to justify your behavior, the only person who has actually posted in your thread is Lamby, who came in here with the only intention to say "there are easier ways to reach me than CI." The only problematic person that actually wants to discuss politics is you.
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Re: Venezuela

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Re: Venezuela

Post by eblu » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:35 pm

i thought venezuela was having issues, not the thread itself

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Re: Venezuela

Post by Jeffery Mewtamer » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:14 am

I for one enjoy the political discussions and wish there was more of them on this forum, enjoy that another forum I frequent has a dedicated forum for debates(many of which are politically oriented), and have long lamented that a third forum I frequent has effectively banned all political topics not discussing IP law, especially since it probably has the highest average IQ of the forums I frequent.

I understand that not everyone is interested in political discourse, and I appreciate that most of those members don't bother posting in politically charged threads. That said, while I agree that Triert can be abrasive, often excessively so, I find Pinka's constant harping about disliking political threads far more annoying, especially since it takes more effort to junk up a thread with complaints about how much you hate that kind of thread than it does to exit the thread and let people who enjoy that kind of thread have their fun. I find the threads that are little more than a series of zero-line or one-line posts with a random embedded image to be quite pointless, and I suspect I'd feel that way about most such threads even if I could still see, but I don't go around on a one person crusade massively inflating the post count of such threads trying to get people to stop making such threads, I simply move on to threads I find more relevant to my interests.

As to this thread's originally intended topic, Crazo's post pretty much represents the total sum of my knowledge on Venezuela, and I confess to be dealing with too many problems of my own to really care enough to learn enough about a foreign country with little impact on my own life to form an educated opinion on the situation.

And while I'll agree the perfect cooperation required of platonic Communism/Socialism is impossible, I'll add that the perfect competition required of platonic capitalism is also impossible. Both systems are prone to anyone who gains even a slight advantage over others exploiting said advantage for massive personal gain. My utility function is such I'd probably be more in agreement with the platonic communist than the platonic capitalist, but both would be over idealist at best and downright idiotic at worse, and I'm not convince either is all that more prone to being subverted by a would be tyrant.
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Re: Venezuela

Post by Crazo3077 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:22 pm

I genuinely like to discuss politics, but I say "discuss", not "fight about". I'd say "argue", but people mistake that for meaning fighting instead of debating or discussing.

To me, discussion means talking about the content from an unbiased position, as best as possible. Yes, I personally feel we need to increase our socialist programs in the United States, and thus I'll call myself a socialist, but that doesn't mean I want an entirely socialist or communist government or that I hate all other forms of government. It's a personal preference. I'll argue in favor of positions, but I'll try to also present faults when the opportunity comes up. That's a nice discussion for me.

What I don't enjoy is when it feels like things turn into a pissing match. Regardless of who starts it, discussions can only get ugly if multiple people participate. If you let yourself get personal, even if your only reason is "They started it!" you're asking for the mess. If you don't want to get dirty like that, ask the person you're trying to have a discussion with to not talk like that to you. Make it clear it is disrespectful. Don't just try to fight back.

If you want to keep the topic on the political subject, respond only to actual political discussion, and report anyone who derails it with personal issues. There is literally a selection about personal attacks. If you feel Pinka is harassing you, you could report him. If it turns out he's not, then ask the corresponding moderator what was okay about the post. There is a system here, please use it.

EDIT: Originally I was going to make another point about how the site is filled with plenty people who primarily read the forums and discuss privately how they feel about the activity, to kinda drive home that we cannot ever truly understand the consensus of the community and who thinks what is part of the problem or not. But I forgot when making the post.
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To return to the topic, I came to an important realization at work. Socialism doesn't seem like it would become nearly so violent in the United States because we also do not suffer from as severely normalized military activity. From what I've been able to see, Venezuela had military activity regularly presented and armed in the public. In the United States, we get openly startled if a hand gun is visible from an open or concealed carry. We have a very high concern for potential violence, but Venezuela does not seem to have that same type of concern.
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Re: Venezuela

Post by EvilPinkamina » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:34 pm

If there was actual political discussion instead of a partisan dick measuring contest, i wouldn't have a problem with political topics. However, triert has shown time and time again that he doesn't care for actual discussion. He just wants to rub his opinion in the face of the people that disagrees with him. That's not a political discussion; that's pointless fighting for the sake of it.
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Re: Venezuela

Post by Bunelody » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:19 pm

Given triert tends to turn political discussions into personal matters, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to discuss anything political with him. Anytime I see Lamby try to discuss he ends up calling her a diva so there's really no point in trying it seems
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Re: Venezuela

Post by Triert » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:21 pm

If you want to ignore how personal people get with me to avoid taking any sort of responsibility for yourselves again, feel free to.

And Pink, there really isn't any good reason you have for dragging what should have ended at "The only problematic person that actually wants to discuss politics is you." This long, now I don't get to pretend this topic doesn't exist.

Are you people going to take the hint already? You see other people telling you that you're driving this topic off the intended rails by picking a fight with me by saying I do nothing but get personal with other people and pick fights with them.

Do you need to validate me any further?

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Re: Venezuela

Post by Bunelody » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:34 pm

The only person who deserves validation is Todd don't you bring him into this
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Re: Venezuela

Post by Triert » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:56 pm

Crazo, when I doubt your thought on "not nearly so violent" I encourage you to remember that we have a gun culture that from as I've seen is pretty bipartisan. Socialists in the USA are just as divided as you say they probably are in Venezuela, some as I've seen are training on firing ranges making threats towards people, others support them but won't go to the same extremes, and finally some just aren't aware of the more radical elements among them and go as far as to deny them out of either ignorance or denial. A country like Venezuela, well you'll have to trust me when I say that second world and third world countries make a show of force and tend to make an enemy out of the United States despite the fact we might not have any sort of stakes there. Usually done to distract the populace. So I'm not saying they're wrong for seeing the USA as an enemy, but I'm saying that the USA isn't really considering Venezuela any sort of threat. This is meant as a response to your normalized military activity comment.

Venezuela's concern over committing violence, I can only explain this from my understanding of hispanic families as well as everything their country is allowing and how history has played out. For the first factor you have people very heavily family focused seeing their country turn into an oppressive one. South Americans are very familiar with this kind of stuff, they don't like it and are very aware of what happens next.

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Re: Venezuela

Post by Jeffery Mewtamer » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:11 pm

The US is a very heterogeneous mish-mash of differing cultures, social norms, and political views, and unless you're specifically dividing on an axis of pacifism versus militarism, you find both violent and peace-loving people in almost every faction, and aside from a shared opinion on guns, there's no reason to think gun nuts are any less diverse in opinion than the general population. There's a reason pacifism versus militarism is a popular choice for expanding the political compass into a cube(Nationalism versus Globalism possibly being the most common alternative), and that reason is because whether authoritarian or libertarian, capitalist or communist, or whatever other false dichotomy you want to divide people into, both sides will have people who'd rather put a bullet in the opposition than make any attempt at compromise.

I don't know enough about the various regions of the US to say where our powder kegs are, but I'm certain they exist, and for many hot button issues, I suspect there are as many that would be ignited by one definitive decision as the other, and given the current trend towards polarization, I predict more kegs will develop quicker than existing ones can be defused. Coupled with me having no idea how the eventual shift from a Boomer controlled White House and Congress to a Gen X controlled White House and Congress will affect US Politics(Note: we could have our first Gen X president as soon as 2021 even if Trump lives out his first term and the older Boomers are already starting to drop like flies), and I fear the US will be torn apart by civil war before any of the foreign countries we've pissed off become powerful enough to pose a real threat, and I mean real civil war, not a war of secession like the Confederacy attempted.

And while we don't have armed, uniformed soldiers patrolling the streets, we do have police officers who are only a degree or two away from such and as far as I know, no president since FDR has gone their entire tenure without the US being involved in armed conflict somewhere in the world, so I'm not sure I agree military action isn't normalized in the US. I can only hope that if it ever comes to such that a critical mass of the US Armed Forces choose treason to their Government over treason to their country.

As for how this relates to Venezuela, I honestly have no clue, though if there's anything Americans can learn from what's happening in Venezuela, I don't have much hope for anyone this far north taking the lesson to heart, though I wouldn't be surprised if the Federal Government decided to add Venezuela to its list of countries to scapegoat in hopes of distracting the masses from the fact the government is doing little or nothing to address real problems at home.
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Re: Venezuela

Post by Triert » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:25 pm

scapegoat?

jeff if i remember correctly you did admit to being a suckling communist at least once before. That might change how I see this post.

we wouldn't scapegoat this country, their leaders are filth and their people are about to suffer greatly for their ignorance on politics.

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