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I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:51 pm

It's a known fact among Chao breeders, owners, raisers, abusers, and enthusiasts. Chao are jiggly.
The question is, why ARE they?
Is it weird that I think that Chao could have a molecular structure similar to water? :thinking:
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Mamkute » Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:36 pm

I would say yes, it seems likely they are highly water-based. Afterall, Chaos is in some way chao-related, and he is quite the epitome of a highly water-based living thing. No chao is that close to him, but it would seem that could be an explanation of their jigglyness.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by ShadriaFan » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:26 am

real reason: the game went crazy with jiggle physics. Just look at the playable characters..the hedgehogs's quills, Tails and Eggman's walkers, Knuckles's shoulders, Rouge's...er....ears and shoes. yeah, ears and shoes...

biological reason: as Mamkute said, they are more water than humans. Like the pokemon Manaphy, who is 90% water according to various pokedexes and the movie. Being 90% water allows them to be changed by slight differences and environment changes-such as being owned by dark/light characters, the animals and drives. It's also been stated that chao gardens need to have pure mountain water and fresh fruits to habitat the chao-aka they can't survive in everyday polluted waters and gassed fruits, just like Manaphy can't breed in certain waters (estimated that Manaphy would live in real life's Pacific Ocean, while the games take place in real life Japan, which is in the Atlantic Ocean-making Manaphy unable to breed their own kind) and is greatly affected by polluted waters.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Mamkute » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:44 am

I believe you have part of that about Manaphy and oceans switched. Japan is in the Pacific Ocean (and is presumably in the Pokemon equivalent as well.)
But I definitely agree with the chao part. Their wateryness is likely a contributor to their change-ability.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by ShadriaFan » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:10 am

oops..no wonder I got a B in Geography in highschool >m< durrr
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Jeffery Mewtamer » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:36 am

To offer a fairly mundane explanation:

Based on the general appearance of Chao, it seems likely that they have unusually large fat reserves for an organism of their size(most have a pretty obvious pot belly and their limbs are quite pudgy on average), and fat tissue does tend to be quite giggly compared to say muscle tissue. This would also be consistent with their diet and level of physical activity(They eat more than their weight in fruit on a regular bais, and excluding races, most Chao are far to lethargic for the amount of carbohydrates such a diet would involve). Large fat reserves might also explain their inability to sink in water(fat is less dense than water), their ability to survive being thrown at walls with significant force(lots of padding), and how far a well trained Chao can go in Races despite their otherwise sedentary lifestyle(large fat reserves means lot of stored energy to pull on when needed).

Also, I'm not sure a high water content alone can account for their high level of shape shifting. Humans are already 70% water, yet our bodies are quite rigid. I do suspect that Chao probably have few, if any hard tissues in their bodies(if they have a skeleton, it's probably all cartilege for example), through I suspect they have some ability to replicate foreign proteins if not assimilate foreign DNA to manufacture said proteins the same way native ones would be produced.

Also, I suspect Chao have at least somethings in common with Amoebas(one species of which has the scientific name of Chaos Chaos).
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by CitrusCat » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:36 pm

Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:(most have a pretty obvious pot belly and their limbs are quite pudgy on average)
Hmm, really? Which Chao Alignment/Types come to mind when you say this? And are there any exceptions? :o

Personally I agree with the first few posts, about Chao being mostly water. I mean, Chaos himself is supposed to be a mutated Chao, right? It only makes sense to me.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by ShadriaFan » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:40 pm

^all of them are round and pudgy, like a baby..seeing as they are pretty much babies. >w<
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:09 pm

Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:I do suspect that Chao probably have few, if any hard tissues in their bodies(if they have a skeleton, it's probably all cartilege for example)...
Chao might have skeletons. This sounds dark (no pun intended), but I have a slight belief that the skulls that you find in the Dark Garden by using Knuckles/Rouge to dig could be Chao skulls and the shape of their heads is formed by cartilage.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by CitrusCat » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:00 am

^
I've actually had that same thought. I mean, what else could those skulls be? No other creature appears to live in the Gardens.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:07 am

In fact, this raises a few more questions. What happens to a Chao when it dies? I mean, when it's in the cocoon? Do they melt (Brr...that's a scary thought) and the rest of them hardens into solid deposits (i.e, the skulls)?
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by CitrusCat » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:13 am

Hmm... We may never know for sure. It is a bit mysterious, huh? How they seemingly just vanish in the Cocoon when they die...
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:20 am

It's a conspiracy, I tell you!

Maybe Chao cocoons are made of fog. Maybe Chao have pores that excrete fog when they evolve/reincarnate/die, like a defense mechanism to warn other Chao not to touch it.

Maybe Chao can sweat fog.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by CitrusCat » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:24 am

It's tough to come up with a definite answer, huh? It could be fog, or it could be something completely different. Perhaps it's made of something completely nonexistant in this world. Who knows? It can be fun to think about, though. :)
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:31 am

Great, now I can just imagine a Chao taking a difficult test and then getting obscured by a red(?) haze because Chao sweat is possibly fog.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:34 am

Also, I've noticed that Chao make a "ahh...ooh-eeeh...eeeeeh" sound when they want to go to the pool. Could that have something to do with the "Chao = water" thing?
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Mamkute » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:39 am

Zeyphr wrote:the skulls that you find in the Dark Garden by using Knuckles/Rouge to dig could be Chao skulls
Although this makes sense for them being the only major living things of that size in the gardens, and Dark Garden being a scary place, but I do not think that a chao skull would be in that shape. It has eye sockets and such imply ape (human) origin. Chao skulls shouldn't be in that shape, such as with that jaw as well.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Yukki » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:44 am

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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:50 am

The incredibly misbehaved Dark ones, maybe. XD
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Jeffery Mewtamer » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:56 pm

I think we have the seeds of a creepypasta on our hands.

Realistically speaking, elderly Chao initiate a rejuvenation cycle when they sense their bodies starting to fail and go into a cocoon to facilitate the process. If the rejuvenation is successful, the cocoon will decay to reveal a new Chao Egg, but if it fails, your left with a Chao corpse wrapped in a natural funeral shroud. The decay of a dead Chao is probably far more gruesome than how it's shown in the games, though I suppose a death cocoon left in dry enough conditions might simply become a dryed out husk instead of putrefying. Either way, I doubt Chao leave behind many fossils unless preserved.

As for the skulls in the Dark Garden, that place seems far too creepy to be both real and suitable for housing Chao, especially if the little things have as poor a constitution as some flavor text would have us believe. Seems more likely that the Dark garden is like a Halloween Haunted house and the skulls being well made props than there being a place that scary that isn't crawling with potential predators.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:45 pm

Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:I think we have the seeds of a creepypasta on our hands.
You take 'em, I'm not that good at writing.

But potential creepypastas aside, Dark Chao are probably more hardened/resistant to be able to survive in the harsher environment of the Dark Garden. Maybe Chao slowly alter their own bodies to survive in different climates and environments. I've believed that Flight-type Chao have high places (like mountains and jungle canopies) as their natural territory, Power-types have low-lying territories that are probably harsher (like a cave), Swim-types live in coastal areas or around the ocean, and Speed-types are probably a plains-dwelling Chao type.

A Chao's owner probably contributes to their environment. The "Dark" characters probably give off a negative energy that, to a Chao, simulates a harsh environment. The energy triggers the Chao to metamorphose into a Dark Chao.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Palmpoa Commander » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:58 am

Chao are jiggly because they use a floating point matrix and basic animations. The matrix is for all the different ways you can make your chao look, and because they were a game addendum they didn't receive much attention. The wigglyness is velocity inertia being applied to matrice points with elasticity. While overdone in Sonic Adventure it was toned down in SA2 to what we are used to today.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:18 am

[offtopic]Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle, yeah. [/offtopic]
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Zeyphr » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:38 pm

[offtopic] I suck. I killed one of my dragon eggs. [/offtopic]

...I wonder where the small animals go after you use them on a Chao? They seem to disappear.
On a side note...how does the Chao get the animal parts in the first place? ._.
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Re: I wonder...why are Chao so jiggly?

Post by Chao Professor » Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:39 am

Yup, it's pretty weird with the small animals. Without using the glitch, give one to your chao, turn away for 3 seconds, and it's gone :darkno:

I believe they spawn back to the stages they came from to be used again and again.

Wait, come to think of it, where do chao go when they die?! Do they sink into the ground and become decapitated skulls? Do they merge downwards and morph into inanimate pumpkins?

Also, what about the "staff chao" in the Kindergarten, such as the Principle, the Fortune Teller and the Doctor etc.... Do they just NEVER DIE??!!

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