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Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Triert » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:23 pm

In this topic we ask questions we feel shouldn't get their own topic to answer. I'll start
I'm gonna be desperate...
Never Lose... Hurry...
Never Lose... Hurry...
I believe in my future, farewell to the shadow,
It was my place to live, but now I need your hand.
Lead me out with your light, I have breathed in
The disgusting air of darkness, but I never lose out
To the pressure, everything's just like,
An illusion, I'll be losing you, before long.
Never Lose... Hurry... Never Lose
I never lose my confidence
I know you are supporting me,
Supporting me... supporting me...
I'll be losing you before long.
First my favorite song in the entire franchise, Supporting Me (VS Biolizard). What did Supporting Me mean? Who were we supposed to think the lyrics were about? Who was the one singing them, the lizard?

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Ivogoji » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:54 pm

Its about how the Biolizard needs a life support system to stay alive.

Or alternatively it's about Shadow's heel-face turn and how he's now depending on the heroes to help him stop the Space Colony, and forshadowing that he's about to die.
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by SwifterTheDragon » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:18 pm

Why was Tails Doll created in the 1st place?

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Triert » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:36 pm

Tails needed a counterpart in Sonic R, and for some reason instead of making metal tails the team decided to create the tails doll.

My theory as to why is because the tails doll gave them much less to animate if it just floated instead of fluttered it's legs.

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by chaoadventures » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:42 pm

So they could have a character in Sonic R potentially worse than Amy.
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Triert » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:58 pm

As a last resort, Eggman manufactured this to catch Sonic unprepared. This, except for the power plant embedded in its head, is a mere stuffed animal, whose meager form nevertheless exhibits considerable ability in races due to its lightweight design. Still, it is also able to float in the air for a long time.
I apologize, I didn't search a wiki.

Also, you dirty reddie. From extensive racing a tier list can easily be made from Sonic R. Super Sonic is the dominant character but forget him.

S Tier
Metal Sonic (His top speed in Resort Island makes the forest shortcut difficult but upon learning how to control him he's unstoppable*)
Metal Knuckles (Fast and easy to handle, outsped by Metal Sonic)

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Sonic
Knuckles

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Tails
Amy (From Tvtropes "Amy is this. She is one of the slowest characters in the game who lacks the ability to jump since she drives a car instead of running on her feet. Her lethality is her ability to drive over water without losing speed, decent acceleration and good turning (in a game that's notable for its bad turning), and a rechargeable Nitro Boost ability that allows her to reach a top speed faster then Super Sonic for a few seconds, but it does take away her superior steering ability when in use.
Add on to this the fact that when a character goes into a loop or enters an extended falling state, their speed gets locked in unless they decelerate and you can use Amy's boost on the path leading up to a loop with it petering out just as she launches into it or launch yourself off of a big drop at the last moment(Most frequently found in Radical City) and effectively gain an extra 25-50% bonus of boost depending on the size of the loop or length of the drop while still allowing her to recharge since the boost technically ran out. Skilled abuse of this can effectively give Amy two and a half boosts in a row, all the speed she needs to leave her opponents in the dust.")

C Tier
Tails Doll
Eggman

Dirty Tier
Egg-Robo (If you pick him you are begging to lose, he can't outrun anyone and he sinks in the water. You are begging to lose, you are desperately asking for release in picking him.)

* Except against Super Sonic

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by chaoadventures » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:12 pm

Actually, I made this sheet some number of months ago:

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Eggrobo is better than Eggman what are you talking about

I'll probably take the time to see if I really haven't been using Amy's max potential sometime though.
And more research on the differences between Eggman and Eggrobo because I feel like I'm missing something.
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Triert » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:34 pm

I want this image except without the sonic r logo in the background and the 1st 2nd etc

It's as simple as "he sinks" whereas eggman at least can float.

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by chaoadventures » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:53 pm

Here's the picture without the extra stuff (also without the purple and blue outlines for the A and E ranks):

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Triert » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:14 am

well i should have clarified that i wanted the colors but none of the portraits

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by SwifterTheDragon » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:31 am

When will the Sonic Movie or SA3 be created?
Also when will Chao GARDENS make a return officially?
Will there ever be a sequel to Super Mario
Sunshine?
Who really is Piantissimo? Or however you spell his name...
When will Mario kart characters be creative again?
When will Triert leave CI forever?
Why don't people post more?
Who uses the AZERTY keyboard layout?

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Triert » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:35 am

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Ivogoji » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:28 am

When will the Sonic Movie or SA3 be created? The movie is being created.
Also when will Chao GARDENS make a return officially? That deserves its own topic.
Will there ever be a sequel to Super Mario
Sunshine? Super Mario Odessy.
Who really is Piantissimo? Or however you spell his name... that deserves its own topic.
When will Mario kart characters be creative again?
When will Triert leave CI forever? Probably after the sun goes supernova.
Why don't people post more? Social media megacites bleed the forums.
Who uses the AZERTY keyboard layout? That deserves its own topic.
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by chaoadventures » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:06 am

SwifterTheDragon wrote:Who really is Piantissimo? Or however you spell his name...
This topic itself is in General Sonic Stuff, but I'll answer this anyways:

He's a tanned version of the running man from Zelda.

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Even the boundaries of game universes can't keep him from running.
Triert wrote:well i should have clarified that i wanted the colors but none of the portraits
The way I layered that file was weird so all I have is the off-colored ones separate from the portraits, and I've misplaced my source, but you could probably get them from the Spriters Resource or something.
Have them anyways:
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This is what you asked for if I'm understanding correctly

If not, I'll probably be able to compile everything separately at some point without too much effort.
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Nano » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:17 am

Ivogoji wrote:Will there ever be a sequel to Super Mario
Sunshine? Super Mario Odessy.
Debatable

It's more like a continuation from the Galaxy series if the trailers are anything to judge it by. Maybe a bit like a galaxy flavored cake with 64/sunshine icing.
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Triert » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:16 am

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Triert » Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:56 am

"Here are the results from the research project called the ultimate life form. But, if this picture is of the real ultimate life form named, Shadow... then exactly who or what is standing in front of me?"

I can't understand what Rouge meant.

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Post by Ivogoji » Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:38 am

The page Rouge was holding had a picture of the Biolizard, which the text identifies by name as Shadow.
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She believed the Biolizard was the real Shadow (she knew there was 'a prototype', but not that this specifically was the prototype, or that it was still on the ARK at this point), and Edgehog was a fake created on Prison Island. Recall Eggman at the start of the game searching for a weapon he believed was created there.

In the following dialogue Shadow protests that he's the real deal because he remembers being created on the ARK. Rouge counters that his memories might be fake- and since he remembers Maria asking him to avenge her, which we know didn't happen, there's some truth to this. Gerald's diary said "I made his mind to be perfect... pure..."

Shadow later recovers his memory of promising Maria to give the world a chance to be happy and fights the Biolizard, revealed to only be the sealed prototype and not the completed Ultimate Lifeform.

We never actually find out if Rouge is wrong or not. Our only sources of information come from Shadow (memory tampered), Gerald (insane), and Black Doom (consummate liar), none of whom should be considered reliable. The Biolizard being a prototype doesn't prove that Shadow was born on the ARK; Shadow's "true" memories could have been implanted as well; consider his later amnesia.

From this ambiguity arose the common fan theory that the original Shadow is Sonic himself.
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Post by Triert » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:23 am

Now you'll have to forgive me but I didn't pay attention to SA2B's story.

What point did shadow think maria wanted vengeance, because im pretty sure he remembered around the same time he talked with Amy.

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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Ivogoji » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:44 am

Starting at 1:14.

The extreme contradiction between Maria's intended meaning and how Shadow remembers it precludes any mundane explanation for such a lapse in memory, and since the Gerald directly states he has altered Shadow's mind, we can only conclude that Rouge's assertion was basically true.

How close to the truth is its own can of worms. If some of Shadow's memories are fake, they might all be fake.
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Post by Triert » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:53 am

Given that the GUN commander remembers Maria, we can at the very least know she wasn't fake.

As for memory manipulation, it seems as if his memory of things that he saw wasn't altered but what he himself was supposed to remember. As if Gerard took his memories and edited them to direct him to destroy everyone instead of what Maria promised him, like some kind of yellow journalist editing. Sorry if this isn't the first time anyone has ever said this, but it is the first time I'm starting to get an understanding of what's going on.

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Post by Ivogoji » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:16 am

Oh, there's some blonde girl in photos and videos of Prof. Robotnik, and he's known to have a granddaughter named Maria, but who knows if they were the same person.

Gerald talks about his beloved grandchild being killed during the raid... but he's insane. Should we trust anything he says? Do we even know how long he's been like this? He blames the murder of his grandchild for driving him insane, but do you trust his version of events?

Shadow has memories of a beautiful girl named Maria, flashbacks to their time together... but his memories have passed through the hands of a crazy person. Do you trust how Shadow sees his past? After the things he's gotten wrong, after all the things he forgot?

Black Doom shows Shadow visions of his past, reveals details about his origins... to manipulate him and further Doom's own goals. Whatever narrative was deemed most convenient to his agenda was fed to Shadow- totally unreliable.

Sure, the Commander remembers a Shadow and a Maria on the ARK, but how can we be sure they're our Shadow, our Maria?

Don't get me started on Eggman being our most reliable source for whether or not the Shadow seen from Heroes onward is the one from SA2.
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Badwilds » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:06 pm

Wait, wait, isn't Supporting Me supposed to be from the perspective of Sonic while also foreshadowing Shadow's death as well? /late

Shadow is supporting Sonic & co. by defeating the Biolizard, right? He's fighting it so that Sonic & Knuckles can go get the Chaos Emeralds. So it makes sense that the song would kind of be about Sonic & co. cheering Shadow on in their own way. Of course, given Sonic & Shadow's rivalry the lyrics are not directly bubbly/up-lifting (that would be more Amy's style and definitely would not fit a boss battle), but more a motivational challenging tone ('Never lose', 'hurry', 'I never lose my confidence'). Sounds pretty Sonic-esque to me.

Or maybe it is just meaning the Biolizard's life support. But I've never really thought it made sense from Shadow's perspective.

If you'll remember, the White Jungle music is from Eggman's perspective, so it makes sense that Supporting Me would be parallel to that. Whereas Eggman might tauntingly ask him 'Are you scared of something?', Sonic tells him 'I never lose my confidence' meaning that well, hey, Sonic never gives up so you shouldn't either, buddy. Even if you are faced with a crazy giant lizard. Really the only line that doesn't make sense with this would probably be 'Lead me out with your light'... since Sonic is supposed to be 'light' already while Shadow is 'darkness'. But, I mean, I'm not expecting Sonic lyrics to be super deep or completely accurate storytelling. Might've just put it in 'cause it sounded cool and they aren't supposed to mean anything story-wise. /shrug
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Ivogoji » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:37 pm

"Farewell to the shadow" seems like something Shadow would say about himself after his heel/face turn, but eh.
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Re: Questions that don't deserve their own topic

Post by Toasty_Tyrant » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:57 pm

What is the difference between every version of Knuckles, and every version of Shadow?

By version, I mean,like, games, shows, comics and whatnot.
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